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Drink sewage
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's been raining a lot recently. Doesn't that make these kind of discharges more likely, as sewage systems get overwhelmed with too much inflowing water?
Like a lot of problems in this country, it's looking like a lack of infrastructural investment and maintenance is a cause of these kind of problems. Surely it can't be technically difficult to install more storm drains, overflow systems, and so on.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Not difficult, just expensive and inconvenient - as it involves either a) Retrofitting Sustainable Urban Drainage Systems (e.g. soakaways, green roofs, water butts) to slow/reduce ingress of water to combined sewage systems; b) Building underground storage; e.g. storage tunnels; or c) Replacing combined sewers with rainwater and foul water pipes that are separate.
a) Is promising and has environmental benefits but probably can't be done quickly enough to make big inroads to the issue. Probably the lowest cost solution, but a multi-decade thing, and currently dependent on goodwill of land/building owners to institute, short of new legislation being passed.
b) Can get the quickest results but is expensive (e.g. Thames Tideway Tunnel is running at £4-5bn)
c) Digging up existing sewers and replacing pipes is horribly expensive and inconveniences users as it takes out roads/pavements while works are underway.
It's all doable, it just needs political will and funding. I am not sure that those that shout loudest about the issue have properly understood the costs of totally fixing the issue and how this fits with affordability. Tideway Tunnel is c. £20-25 on TW customers' annual bills in a very dense (and hence cost-effective) area. I would imagine higher bills would apply in other, less dense conurbations where the bill has to be spread across fewer people.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Actually I'm reminded that DEFRA have last month put out a plan for managing down CSO spills - https://assets.publishing.service.g.../Storm_Overflows_Discharge_Reduction_Plan.pdf
The sums involved are large - £56bn in current prices to 2050. Likely to mean c. £12 on the average annual bill between 2025-30 and £64 over 2045-50, relative to baseline (Moodys figures).
The sums involved are large - £56bn in current prices to 2050. Likely to mean c. £12 on the average annual bill between 2025-30 and £64 over 2045-50, relative to baseline (Moodys figures).
T & P
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Thames Water's live interactive map provides live information of any outlets currently discharging sewage, and how long it has been going on:
www.thameswater.co.uk
As per the Guardian article that brought this map to my attention, there's a town in Gloucestershire that has had sewage dumped into its river for 750 hours straight (at the time of typing)
www.theguardian.com
EDM Map | Storm discharge data | River health | Thames Water
Our map shows near real-time information on when and where storm discharge activity may be happening near you.
www.thameswater.co.uk
As per the Guardian article that brought this map to my attention, there's a town in Gloucestershire that has had sewage dumped into its river for 750 hours straight (at the time of typing)
Thames Water’s real-time map confirms raw sewage discharges
Effluent in Gloucestershire river pinpointed by digital map as water companies accused of routinely pumping out waste to rivers
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
'Course you could just regard it as the cost of civilisation and charge it to the people who benefit the most - through taxation. We shouldn't buy into the logic that it has to be added to the cost of bills - that's a political choice.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Big article from Iain Sinclair on sewers in the new LRB:
www.lrb.co.uk
Iain Sinclair · Negative Equivalent: In the Super Sewer · LRB 19 January 2023
What is going to happen – it is indelicate to ask, but we need to know – to all that shit? The torrents of water...
www.lrb.co.uk
T & P
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How much longer is shit (no pun intended) like this going to be allowed to continue unchecked and unpunished? 
www.theguardian.com
Fifty-seven swimmers fall sick and get diarrhoea at world triathlon championship in Sunderland
Athletes competing on stretch of UK coastline where reduced water quality at centre of dispute over sewage discharges
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
all the time that the asset management corporations keep making money from itHow much longer is shit (no pun intended) like this going to be allowed to continue unchecked and unpunished?
Fifty-seven swimmers fall sick and get diarrhoea at world triathlon championship in Sunderland
Athletes competing on stretch of UK coastline where reduced water quality at centre of dispute over sewage discharges
good, direct quote from an Australian competitor:
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Do you mean scumbags like this?
I don't particularly like being shushed but it seems a bit extreme. Pension funds are huge stock market investors and they love utilities which in the past week seen as unspectacular but reliable dividend payers.
Thames Water’s biggest investor has cut value of stake by nearly 30%
Debt-laden company has faced questions over financial stability and ability to raise funds
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The vast majority of pension fund investments in infrastructure/ultilities is via corporate asset management funds and the individual pension contributors are ripped off by the vultures as much as consumers are by charging structures. The Canadian pension funds that invest more directly into utilities are the exception, not the rule.Do you mean scumbags like this?
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I don't particularly like being shushed but it seems a bit extreme. Pension funds are huge stock market investors and they love utilities which in the past week seen as unspectacular but reliable dividend payers.
Thames Water’s biggest investor has cut value of stake by nearly 30%
Debt-laden company has faced questions over financial stability and ability to raise funds
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Do you mean scumbags like this?
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I don't particularly like being shushed but it seems a bit extreme. Pension funds are huge stock market investors and they love utilities which in the past week seen as unspectacular but reliable dividend payers.
Thames Water’s biggest investor has cut value of stake by nearly 30%
Debt-laden company has faced questions over financial stability and ability to raise funds
I'd wager that most people have no idea where the money for their pensions comes from. I also doubt that Canadian library workers are the ones who endorsed filling our rivers with shit.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I agree, which is why I thought it was cruel of you to propose that they should be gavaged with shit.
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