KittyP appeared to be suggesting the relief was a positive. Therefore the pregnancy was a big negative.
Criminalising Pregnant Mothers who Drink
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KittyP appeared to be suggesting the relief was a positive. Therefore the pregnancy was a big negative.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not for you to say, tbh.
So the decision IS based on external factors?
Wouldn't it have been easier to just acknowledge that point when I first made it instead of pages of hissy fits?
Handy trap to walk people into it proved.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Unless Citizen66 has had to raise a child by xself?
kittyP
Pluviophile
No no no no! That is really not my point at all!
But having a baby at the wrong time with very much the wrong person can be damaging for all concerned.
Yes. My argument was it shouldn't be. Women should be given more support AND retain their right over their own bodies. This has given me pages of fucking grief. Only on Urban.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Right, so we have established that a job and way of life are external factors. Not things that people might regard as intrinsic and meaningful.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's life, baby. We make bad decisions. And some of them end up with abortions.
Even in a just society, this would still happen, as we have to negotiate our own paths through relationships, and we often fuck it up.
kittyP
Pluviophile
Sorry I am not just arguing, I am just a bit confused, but it should't be what?
I don't know what you mean by 'way of life' (drugs?) but plenty of women work whilst raising children.
Why should it ever be 'the wrong time'? That's linked with society and specifically western culture.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Pages of hissy fits? That's the sort of thing some kinds of men say to women when they are trying to tell women that they know better and the women don't agree. Apologies for gendering this debate and mega apologies if I misidentified but it was kind of glaring.
That's how it happens in the UK, yes. Other countries share childcare burdens across entire families. Here abortion is the answer. Any suggestion of any other model is eroding a woman's choice!!!
I remain unaware of your gender. Are you female?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Way of life. Do you actually have children? Have you a fucking clue what you are talking about?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And what freedom of action do women have in such societies?
I'm not particularly championing the western way of doing things here, but be realistic about the alternatives.
I do. I said so in a post a couple of minutes ago. Are you reading them?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Didn't see that post. You certainly write as if children don't make any difference to your life.
It keeps me returning to me saying that external factors (society) plays a massive role in a woman's decision. Everyone went bananas about it but now every point being made backs up that assertion. I need to sleep. I have work tomorrow. Today actually,.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
ok. Night then.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
You keep saying that if only society were nice and accommodating these silly women would keep their accidental babies?
Of course children make a difference to someone's life. People were denying that society affected a woman's choice in any way regarding abortion. I think we've buried that fallacy several times over now.
Okay we're back to 'fuck off'. That's a disgusting interpretation.
kittyP
Pluviophile
So, when I got pregnant when I was 17, with my totally fucked up loser of an ex, that was all down to western culture and.. tbh I don't even know how to finish this.
If I had not had that abortion, I would have had a baby at a time I was totally anti having kids at all!
I would not now be married to an amazing guy who I have a great relationship with.
How is that abortion and my life after all just a product of modern culture and society any more than everything is?
kittyP
Pluviophile
My family would have been really supportive if I had chosen to have that child.
The support available to me had nowt to do with it.
I did not for one moment want to have that child.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Good for you, kittyP. You don't need to defend that decision.
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