Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[Wilf]

Trump may not win this time, but at least he's opened the way for other billionaire, inherited wealth, racist, bullying sex attackers to have a shot at the top job.

 

[bimble]

It's hard to tell. To me it seems so obviously unacceptable that it shouldn't need saying that it's beyond the pale. But even on here some people think that sexual banter about your kids is a "normal" thing you should be prepared to participate in.

Really?? I thought that was basically the only universal taboo we have left.

 

[danny la rouge]

Really?? I thought that was basically the only universal taboo we have left.

Me too.

 

[8den]

Trump may not win this time, but at least he's opened the way for other billionaire, inherited wealth, racist, bullying sex attackers to have a shot at the top job.

The republican party are going to do everything in their power to ensure in 4 years time there cannot be another Donald.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Tonight Clinton should just walk on stage and instead of shaking Trumps hand, she should just unload a can of mace in his orange face till it's empty, and then for 90 minutes we watch him writhing on the floor, while she occasionally kicks him while wearing 18 hole doc martins.

I think she should pull out a box of tic tacs and pucker up

 

[cantsin]

The way these "bombshells" are being released is superb, and there are loads more to come apparently. They're dropping one or two a week because if they release them all at the same time it'll kill him dead, he'll pull out, and Pence would have over a month of campaigning. This way Trump dies the death of a thousand cuts and pulls out a week or two before the election leaving Pence flapping in the wind, or Trump gets killed in the election.

Either way, it's got to be all over for Trump. He's made a global laughing stock out of a sizeable chunk of the US electorate and even they must now be thinking enough is enough.

He agreed with Stern describing his own daughter as "a great piece of ass", ffs!

his betting odds are taking the first proper pounding yet - from 11/8 out to 4/1....it does look pretty terminal at this stage.

The debate tmmrw ( tnite ? ) could finish him off i guess

 

[Lord Camomile]

Trump may not win this time, but at least he's opened the way for other billionaire, inherited wealth, racist, bullying sex attackers to have a shot at the top job.

If he doesn't win, I really, really hope people don't just think "phew, that's over, back to business as usual then". Whatever you think of him, he is a product of/is exploiting a situation that exists, with or without him. That needs to be addressed, rather than dismissed once again as "a handful of racist idiots". He's within one election of becoming President, for fuck's sake.

That's nowhere near as articulate as I would like, but fuck it, it's Sunday.

 

[Spymaster]

The debate tmmrw ( tnite ? ) could finish him off i guess

1.30am Channel 4.

 

[Spymaster]

But even on here some people think that sexual banter about your kids is a "normal" thing you should be prepared to participate in.

 

[teqniq]

jeez.

Nigel Farage defends Donald Trump after sexual assault comments

Interim Ukip leader Nigel Farage has waded into the crisis engulfing Donald Trump's US presidential bid, insisting the Republican candidate's obscene remarks about groping women amounted to "alpha male boasting"....

 

[littlebabyjesus]

On the plus side he is 70 years old and pretty much everyone agrees that this sort of thing is not ok anymore.

I doubt that. I'm considerably younger than 70 and I remember when I was 20 or so Trump's kind of attitude being very prevalent among certain groups I hung out with - calling the woman you're slobbering over 'it', for instance, which Trump does at one point, was very commonplace. I don't know if it still is commonplace - it's not among anyone I know, but I'm a bit more discerning now probably than I was when I was 20 - but I would not be surprised if it were.

 

[bimble]

littlebabyjesus you're right, I massively overstated that with the 'pretty much everyone' bit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If he doesn't win, I really, really hope people don't just think "phew, that's over, back to business as usual then". Whatever you think of him, he is a product of/is exploiting a situation that exists, with or without him. That needs to be addressed, rather than dismissed once again as "a handful of racist idiots". He's within one election of becoming President, for fuck's sake.

That's nowhere near as articulate as I would like, but fuck it, it's Sunday.

I agree, except that I think he's a product of more than one thing. One of those is certainly disaffection with and alienation from mainstream politics, which is seen as of and for the elite. However, sadly, I think one of the other things is a reaction against Obama by racist white Americans, which is why their sense of alienation leans them towards Trump of all people, the elite of the elite really, as the solution.

Another strand comes from people who probably don't consider themselves racist - the idea that poor black people need to stop moaning and get on with improving themselves, 50 years since civil rights and they still haven't sorted themselves out. If anything that kind of racist attitude is the hardest to tackle because it requires people to look at the system they live in - there is a strong sense among many Americans that there is something 'natural' about their system, that there isn't a system at all; hence pretty much any attempt to challenge that gets branded socialist or communist, hence the very idea of unamerican.

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah I think this could actually make him more popular among some people tbh

 

[danny la rouge]

jeez.

Nigel Farage defends Donald Trump after sexual assault comments

So "alpha male" means repulsive pathetic, slug?

 

[Lord Camomile]

I agree, except that I think he's a product of more than one thing. One of those is certainly disaffection with and alienation from mainstream politics, which is seen as of and for the elite. However, sadly, I think one of the other things is a reaction against Obama by racist white Americans, which is why their sense of alienation leans them towards Trump of all people, the elite of the elite really, as the solution.

Another strand comes from people who probably don't consider themselves racist - the idea that poor black people need to stop moaning and get on with improving themselves, 50 years since civil rights and they still haven't sorted themselves out. If anything that kind of racist attitude is the hardest to tackle because it requires people to look at the system they live in - there is a strong sense among many Americans that there is something 'natural' about their system, that there isn't a system at all; hence pretty much any attempt to challenge that gets branded socialist or communist, hence the very idea of unamerican.

Oh absolutely - my inarticulate use of the word "situation" was kind of meant to encompass all of that...

Yeah, there's a whole complex shitstorm of context and reasons for Trump's success, much like there was/is for Brexit - I just hope people don't forget that if he loses (they sure as fuck won't if he wins, of course!).

 

[danny la rouge]

Yeah I think this could actually make him more popular among some people tbh

What a truly depressing thought.

God, I need cheering up now.

 

[agricola]

I agree, except that I think he's a product of more than one thing. One of those is certainly disaffection with and alienation from mainstream politics, which is seen as of and for the elite. However, sadly, I think one of the other things is a reaction against Obama by racist white Americans, which is why their sense of alienation leans them towards Trump of all people, the elite of the elite really, as the solution. Another strand comes from people who probably don't consider themselves racist - the idea that poor black people need to stop moaning and get on with improving themselves, 50 years since civil rights and they still haven't sorted themselves out. If anything that kind of racist attitude is the hardest to tackle.

I am not sure Trump's candidature is about Obama, or even racist attitudes as a whole to be honest - I think its more about a widespread and almost total repudiation of the Republican Party's national leadership from normal people, hence why Trump won so handsomely in their primaries and why has struggled ever since he was moved towards core GOP policies (as he was made to after their convention).

Traditional Republican voters have realized that their kids are going to be poorer than they were, that they will have less chances to better themselves, that jobs will be more scarce and much less stable, and that their life expectancy is going down; they also recognize that it wasn't the Democrats that did most of the damage to them. Trump was the best way possible to punish the people who were responsible, and would have been responsible for more if they had got in.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh absolutely - my inarticulate use of the word "situation" was kind of meant to encompass all of that...

Yeah, there's a whole complex shitstorm of context and reasons for Trump's success, much like there was/is for Brexit - I just hope people don't forget that if he loses (they sure as fuck won't if he wins, of course!).

There's also another side to it. If Trump loses, the GOP is bound to do its damndest to try to stop a Trump from happening again. A credible, sane Republican could be wiping the floor with Clinton, I think, and they must know that. But tbh none of the shortlist of candidates was credible or sane. Climate-change denial is mainstream in the GOP. The vice-president candidate is a creationist. This is an extremist party, so it shouldn't be such a surprise when it produces an extremist candidate.

How, exactly, such an extremist party will stop itself from choosing extremist candidates, I don't know.

 

[frogwoman]

Donald Trump retweets rape allegations against Bill Clinton

 

[frogwoman]

Is this stuff about bill Clinton the sort of thing that could damage hillary while in office?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I am not sure Trump's candidature is about Obama, or even racist attitudes as a whole to be honest - I think its more about a widespread and almost total repudiation of the Republican Party's national leadership from normal people, hence why Trump won so handsomely in their primaries and why has struggled ever since he was moved towards core GOP policies (as he was made to after their convention).

Traditional Republican voters have realized that their kids are going to be poorer than they were, that they will have less chances to better themselves, that jobs will be more scarce and much less stable, and that their life expectancy is going down; they also recognize that it wasn't the Democrats that did most of the damage to them. Trump was the best way possible to punish the people who were responsible, and would have been responsible for more if they had got in.

Oh, there is certainly alienation and fear over the future - and these are necessary for Trump to exist. But there would be no Trump without Obama. An openly racist candidate has been made possible, imo, only by Obama. Trump won so handsomely in the primaries and is now struggling because more racist white Americans are republicans than democrats/independents - and now he has to appeal across the board. Plus, of course, his opponents in the primaries were also a bunch of scary extremists/idiots.

 

[agricola]

There's also another side to it. If Trump loses, the GOP is bound to do its damndest to try to stop a Trump from happening again. A credible, sane Republican could be wiping the floor with Clinton, I think, and they must know that. But tbh none of the shortlist of candidates was credible or sane. Climate-change denial is mainstream in the GOP. The vice-president candidate is a creationist. This is an extremist party, so it shouldn't be such a surprise when it produces an extremist candidate.

How, exactly, such an extremist party will stop itself from choosing extremist candidates, I don't know.

The GOP establishment will certainly try, but as you said they don't have the candidates, the policies based in reality (or even popularity) and in any case the secret of how to win that nomination against the folk that they will put up to stand is out there now. In fact I wouldn't be that surprised if the Republican nominee in 2020 is a bit of a leftist in American terms (or at least is a fiscal conservative that points out that, say, a single payer healthcare system would be vastly cheaper than the one that they have now).

 

[DotCommunist]

we need a queasy docu with that freak louis theroux at trump mansion.

 

[agricola]

Oh, there is certainly alienation and fear over the future. But there would be no Trump without Obama. An openly racist candidate has been made possible, imo, only by Obama. Trump won so handsomely in the primaries and is now struggling because more racist white Americans are republicans than democrats/independents - and now he has to appeal across the board.

I am not sure about that - if Hilary had won in 2008 and 2012, I am sure the GOP establishment would have ended up in almost exactly the same place and would have had almost exactly the same kicking in its primaries. The only difference would possibly be that Trump wouldn't be the candidate (he would probably still be photographed at parties with the Presidents Clinton), but I am sure someone of the much the same ilk would have come through that field.

 

[bimble]

The contortions that Trump's defenders are having to pull today are quite something to behold.

(comment from the Independant).

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I am not sure about that - if Hilary had won in 2008 and 2012, I am sure the GOP establishment would have ended up in almost exactly the same place and would have had almost exactly the same kicking in its primaries. The only difference would possibly be that Trump wouldn't be the candidate (he would probably still be photographed at parties with the Presidents Clinton), but I am sure someone of the much the same ilk would have come through that field.

Yes, I get that point, and you may well be right. The Trumpness of the extremist candidate wouldn't be there but the extremism would. Thing is, the least extremist candidate in the primaries was probably Jeb Bush. In that sense, even if someone like Rubio had won, we'd still be scratching our heads as to how such a person could be so close to the presidency. The mainstream Republican party is way to the right of the British conservative party, for instance, which is saying something.

 

[Idris2002]

Seen this one yet, guys?

 

[teqniq]

The contortions that Trump's defenders are having to pull today are quite something to behold.
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(comment from the Independant).

The comments in the Independent seem on the whole to be above-avgeragely rabid, so that imo is not all that unusual.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The contortions that Trump's defenders are having to pull today are quite something to behold.
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(comment from the Independant).

Will be interesting to see how Trump plays this. If he can make out Bill as a rapist and Hillary as the wife who protected him, knowing what he was, that could work. But if he only makes out Bill as a philanderer, it's surely not a good look to be seen to be having a go at a woman for her husband's infidelities.