Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!
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J Ed
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When will they learn this? Some people base their entire career on it, e.g Eddie Izzard, can't fault him if people want to pay him but why do people pay him?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
How exactly do you think I'm actively supporting Clinton? Do you think I've got yard signs up?
So if you dont' support trump and dont support clinton who do you want to be elected?
I'm pro Clinton because the alternative doesnt bear thinking about.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Very eloquent, guess you and your racist trump fans showing their true colours again.
SpackleFrog
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I think you're pro-Clinton because you spend a lot of time attacking her political opponent, repeating over and over and over patently obvious facts that we all know. You're doing exactly what she asks in that vid I just posted, where she says "I need your help to get Donal Trump's record out to everybody." What Clinton supporters are doing right now is repeating the same message about Trump and avoiding talking about Clinton. That's what you're doing. And even worse, having delivered your message over and over and over again, you seem surprised that people aren't impressed. Trump is a racist. We know this. Do you have anything else to say, apart from repeatedly accusing me of being a Trump supporter?
In this election, my preferred candidate would be Jill Stein. I don't want Clinton or Trump to be elected, but since one of them will be I think the most important thing is to build a movement capable of dealing with what happens next, and I think that would be best done by supporting Stein, since Sanders has refused to run as an independent.
SpackleFrog
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You know for someone who likes dishing out Hitler analogies, you really like repeating an obvious lie over and over again. I am not a racist Trump fan. If you think you can show that anything I have said suggests I am, you go right ahead. But if you can't - and you can't - then this is a waste of everybody's time. Post less, think more, you're cluttering up the boards.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
You think he's "more honest" than Hilary, which means you're either a Trump supporter or fucking delusion.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
I think thats an idiotic position. If 600 Nader voters had voted for Gore, it's possible we wouldnt have the Iraq war.
Stein a fucking doctor but she panders with both Anti Vacciner and Homeopaths which suggests to me she's either dishonest or an idiot.
SpineyNorman
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Disgusting slur. Why can't you respond to what he's actually saying rather than the bizarre fantasy version that exists only in your head?
Let me get this straight. The opponents on the American right wing are responsible for the rise and viciousness of the American right wing.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
democrats are not left wing. Their naked contempt for ordinary people shows this. Read what he wrote 'in the absence of'.Let me get this straight. The opponents on the American right wing are responsible for the rise and viciousness of the American right wing.
We've seen a similar UKIP/Post-industrial town line up here. Sanders would have been a good shout to win those people back to your party but I suppose that came to nothing
littlebabyjesus
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They're responsible for the conditions they create. Those on the American right are clearly responsible for what they do. But the lack of an alternative, the lack of representation of the interests of the non-rich, among all the mainstream parties has created the space for them, yes.Let me get this straight. The opponents on the American right wing are responsible for the rise and viciousness of the American right wing.
That's not to say that those who vote Trump, for instance, shouldn't be held to account for their vote. This is where I disagree with a lot of people on here. It's not good enough to say 'these people don't represent me and are failing me'. That's not a reason or justification of itself for voting for someone like Trump.
That's where it depends who you're talking to and why you're talking to them. If I'm arguing with a Trump supporter or a UKIP supporter, part of what I'll say is 'don't you care that you're voting for a racist?' These groups are my political enemies, and anyone voting for them will quickly learn that and that I'm pretty disappointed in them for voting that way. If I'm arguing with a right-labour or mainstream democrat, I'll talk very differently, pointing out what it is about them that makes people turn away from them and towards, among others, nasty racist cunts.
There's no contradiction there. Sometimes on here, you may be talking about the former, and be pulled up as if you were talking about the latter. Lots of misunderstandings/confusions on that score.
Stein & the Green party are a joke. The Greens have accomplished exactly nothing in 20 years, except helping G Bush into power. They're not going to build any movement. Voting for Stein is like 2 people wanting to make a baby & then masturbating. It feels good, but no baby comes along.
Correct. The Dem's aren't left wing. They are frustratingly centrist. They'd be doing better against the Repubs if they were more progressive because they'd be getting more swing voters & independents who won't vote or will vote Stein. But I really don't think many Trump/Pence supporters would vote for a more progressive Dem party. Things are where they are so I have no problem at all supporting Hillary given the alternative. A president Trump would sigh any extreme right wing legislation a Repub congress passes. A president Clinton would veto it.
Johnny Canuck3
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Interesting counterpoint: a lifelong democrat who worked for JFK and RFK, is voting for Trump. He calls the Democratic Party the party of war, blindly continuing the polices of GWB, and needlessly demonizing Russia.
I Was RFK’s Speechwriter. Now I’m Voting for Trump. Here’s Why.
I Was RFK’s Speechwriter. Now I’m Voting for Trump. Here’s Why.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Your support for the policies that have caused massive suffering and death both in the USA and the wider world have provided Trump, Le Pen, etc with the foundations to build their support.Let me get this straight. The opponents on the American right wing are responsible for the rise and viciousness of the American right wing.
Scum like you are every bit as bad as Trump. You are precisely the reason why I could never vote for Clinton.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he does a fine job without assistance. Question is does it matter to his voter base what the walking cheese dorito does or doesn't say at this point?
Oh and its the labour leadership election tomorrow so do tune in to BBC to look at what happens when you actually get a leftish leader into power but the party power structure hates you (IE, sanders nearly done it)
Crispy
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They will each be playing by different rules, by which each of them will be able to declare victory.
Yossarian
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The debate should be fun to watch - both sides have supposedly been using "psychological profiling" to prep. Clinton's got a lot more debate experience than Trump, he's spent his whole life surrounded by yes-men and even during the Republican debates, his opponents were pulling their punches because they didn't want his fans to turn against him - I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was either apoplectic by the end of the debate or sobbing about how his father didn't really love him.
SpineyNorman
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I almost hope trump beats her when I watch that. Reminds me what a disgusting human being she is. Clinton winning then quickly snuffing it is probably the best possible outcome.
SpineyNorman
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Fucking hell. Are you like this around UK elections too? Anyone who criticises Labour must be a Tory? This is desperate stuff.
J Ed
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Politics aside, her public persona really is just that of a fundamentally dislikeable person. When I listen to her speeches it's like I feel like I'm being hectored by a line manager
Johnny Canuck3
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What do you feel like when you listen to Trump speeches?
J Ed
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Proud to be an American
Johnny Canuck3
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J Ed
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Yes, I was joking, his speeches are vile and when he speaks I feel genuinely scared about his all too real prospect of winning the presidency which also makes me feel angry that the Democrats have chosen the only candidate that could actually lose to him.
I just thought that after saying four times on this thread that I hope that Clinton beats Trump, and that if I were an American I would vote for Clinton in a swing state that we could move past that point and have an adult discussion about the respective candidates but obviously not, I have to repeat it for a fifth time. At first I thought I wasn't being clear enough about what I thought but I don't think that anymore, I think that several posters are absolutely incapable of seeing anything critical of Hillary Clinton without implying that the person saying it is a supporter of Donald Trump.
Johnny Canuck3
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The hour is too late here in Canada for me to be picking up on joking: sorry. 
SpineyNorman
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Think it? I've just seen one accuse a poster who who I've been working with politically on anti-racist and pro-working class campaigns for half a decade (and he does more than me cos I'm a lazy cunt) of being a racist trump supporter.
Lazy knee jerk liberal tribalism.
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