Donald Trump the road that might not lead to the White House - Redux 2024 thread.

[andysays]

You're welcome to do that if you want to. Or, y'know, just don't click if you don't want to.

You're missing the point here, which is that those of us who are not registered on Twitter are unable to read Twitter threads, even if we do click on the links.

The issue of twitter links has been widely discussed here, and the consensus among many posters is that because non-Twitter members cannot read threads, it's better to provide a summary of what's being said than simply post a link.

There are also, apparently, alternate sites which enable you to unroll or unravel Twitter threads in a form which non-Twitter members can read, so if you feel that the two threads you've highlighted really are worth bringing to people's attention, maybe it's worth exploring how to post them in such a way that we can all read them.

 

[Serge Forward]

For example, this: Read and Share Twitter Threads easily!

 

[magneze]

This site just needs to bin Twitter embeds. Been saying that for a while now.

 

[Serge Forward]

You can maybe get away with a single post, I think, though some people can't read them either. Threads are impossible though.

Most who post paywalled news articles now use a paywall buster. It'd be nice if those who post twitter threads showed similar courtesy with a thread reader link.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

How would I do any of that if I'm not on Twitter? You're posting stuff that many of us can't read. Thanks a fucking bundle.

Erm, fuck you.

 

[Serge Forward]

Erm, fuck you.

I see you went to charm school.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

This site just needs to bin Twitter embeds. Been saying that for a while now.

Honestly wish I hadn't bothered posting it now. It's not significant news or information in any political way, I just found this menswear's expert's take fascinating. He's not a political commentator or analyst, he's a proper nerd about fabric types and weights and the cut of the cloth and so on. No big deal if people can't access it.

There was no need for any drama, and certainly no need for the other poster to 'verbally' abuse me and swear at me. * Shrugs *

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I see you went to charm school.

Just replying in kind. There was no need for you to be 'verbally' abusive and swear at me.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Serge Forward And I'm now putting you on ignore so I don't have to be on the receiving end of any more nastiness from you.

 

[Nylock]

Just replying in kind. There was no need for you to be 'verbally' abusive and swear at me.

"Thanks a fucking bundle" is not verbal abuse, no matter how you try to spin it. HTH

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

"Thanks a fucking bundle" is not verbal abuse, no matter how you try to spin it. HTH

Nylock They were swearing at me. It was uncalled for, when I'd simply shared Twitter links to a nerd's fascinating comments about Trump's suits.

Anyway, I'll ignore you too, because I don't have to accept someone swearing at me for no good reason or someone trying to justify it.

 

[gentlegreen]

It's a toughie...
I try to avoid the BBC too (I have no licence)- and the Grauniad because I don't pay for it.

 

[Serge Forward]

It's a toughie...
I try to avoid the BBC too (I have no licence)- and the Grauniad because I don't pay for it.

The Grauniad is free though... and the BBC... you're missing out on all the quality drama!

 

[PR1Berske]

From the Telegraph

Donald Trump’s campaign has accused the Labour Party and Kamala Harris of election interference in a federal complaint.

The former president’s team said it had filed a formal complaint to the Federal Election Commission (FEC), the agency that oversees election laws, accusing Labour of making “illegal foreign campaign contributions and interference in our elections”.

In a release announcing the complaint, the Trump campaign accused Labour of being a “far-Left” party that had “inspired Kamala’s dangerously liberal policies and rhetoric”.

Susie Wiles, Trump’s campaign manager, said: “In two weeks, Americans will once again reject the oppression of big government that we rejected in 1776.

The flailing Harris-Walz campaign is seeking foreign influence to boost its radical message – because they know they can’t win the American people.

President Trump will return strength to the White House and put America, and our people, first. The Harris campaign’s acceptance and use of this illegal foreign assistance is just another feeble attempt in a long line of anti-American election interference.”

Starmer: ‘They’re doing it in their spare time’

It comes after Labour Party staff organised a trip last week for almost 100 activists to campaign for Ms Harris in several critical battleground states.

Asked if this was a mistake, Sir Keir Starmer insisted any members of his party were in the US on an entirely voluntary basis, similar to previous elections.

On a plane to Samoa for a meeting of Commonwealth leaders, the Prime Minister told reporters: “The Labour Party has volunteers, have gone over pretty much every election.

“They’re doing it in their spare time, they’re doing it as volunteers, they’re staying I think with other volunteers over there.
“That’s what they’ve done in previous elections, that’s what they’re doing in this election and that’s really straight forward.”

Sir Keir also denied the row would damage relations with Mr Trump, who has inched ahead in the race for the White House.

He said: “I spent time in New York with President Trump, had dinner with him, and my purpose in doing that was to make sure that between the two of us we established a good relationship, which we did.
“We’re grateful to him for making the time for that dinner. We had a good, constructive discussion.

“Of course, as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom I will work with whoever the American people return as their President in their elections which are very close now.”

Activists to target battleground states

Over the next two weeks leading up to the presidential election the Labour activists will target Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Virginia, which are all seen as crucial to Ms Harris’s path to the White House.

It is understood the activists are funding travel by themselves.
The news was shared in a now-deleted Linkedin post by Sofia Patel, the head of Labour’s operations.

Ahead of lodging their complaint with the FEC, Republicans branded the plan an “outrage” and warned it would damage the UK’s relationship with the US should Donald Trump win the presidency.
Speaking on British current affairs television programme Victoria Derbyshire, Richard Grenell, former US acting director of national intelligence and former ambassador to Germany under Trump said:

“We don’t want to have any foreign interference in our elections... so I think this is a pretty open and shut case: don’t interfere in the American elections and you won’t be sued.”

The FEC conducts its reviews on a case-by-case basis. If it finds that a violation has occurred, responses vary from a written warning to a fine, according to its website.

In July, the Trump campaign lodged an official complaint over money raised for Joe Biden’s re-election run being transferred to Ms Harris’s campaign, but this latest move appears to be the first time a complaint of this nature has been made about a UK political party.

However, in the 1990s Sir John Major apologised to Bill Clinton after the Home Office checked to see if the then-president had applied for UK citizenship while at Oxford University in order to dodge the Vietnam war draft, according to a letter by the former prime minister reported in the Washington Post.

 

[Serge Forward]

Serge Forward And I'm now putting you on ignore so I don't have to be on the receiving end of any more nastiness from you.

Dunno if you'll see this but just in case, I wasn't being nasty towards you in particular. I was more frustrated at people posting things that many of us can't read. Anyway, I'm sorry if I upset you because I like a lot of what you post.

 

[PR1Berske]

This site just needs to bin Twitter embeds. Been saying that for a while now.

Whilst I've now chosen to swerve Xitter completely, banning embeds is, by now over 15 years of that place existing and being used for breaking news, comment and everything else, real 'finger in the dam' stuff.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[cupid_stunt]

The far-left Labour Party!

 

[story]

AnnO'Neemus
I'm very interested to read what is said in those threads but I can't because I'm not on Twitter. I've never signed up for Twitter, and I really don't want to.

If at all possible, could you please either summarise what is said?

Or maybe you or someone else would be kind enough to unfurl the thread please.

Things like clothes are an important signifier to people who do not read the papers or pay attention tion to editorials etc. The posts I made last night were about the people who might read Trumps clothes and form opinions based on his appearance. So I'm particularly interested to know what a style expert might have to say in the subject.

I find it interesting that Trump is being parsed in so many different ways. The mystery of his success is obliging everyone to seek a variety of different ways to understand what's going on.

Usually it's women's clothes that are under scrutiny. A man in a badly fitted suit is drawing similar close examination. I'm interested to know what's being said about a man in a suit.

 

[krtek a houby]

The far-left Labour Party!

Bizarro world in full effect.

 

[Lotte]

I wish the Labour Party were far-left.

 

[andysays]

I'm not going to suggest this will actually change the result, but it's something which could significantly boost Trump's campaign.

WTF were the Labour Party and Harris' campaign team thinking of in setting this up? Did they really not realise how US voters, particularly those inclining towards Trump, are going to react to this?

 

[Nylock]

Nylock They were swearing at me. It was uncalled for, when I'd simply shared Twitter links to a nerd's fascinating comments about Trump's suits.

Anyway, I'll ignore you too, because I don't have to accept someone swearing at me for no good reason or someone trying to justify it.

Serge has already explained that it was directed as a general frustration towards people who inconsiderately post stuff from Musk's cesspit o'free speech without an accompanying threadreader link and that it was not directed at you personally. You came back at him with a direct sweary attack which was, frankly, an unreasonable escalation on your part. In addition your haughty dismissal of people who quite reasonably explained why this is an ongoing source of frustration for most on this site just made you come across as a bit of a dick. I wasn't justifying anything, merely pointing out your overreaction to a statement of broad frustration that you somehow took as a personal attack which you then used as a justification to make a direct attack against that individual. I like a lot of what you post, I didn't like this and felt that you were being unfair and unreasonable in your response.

Anyway, you have me on ignore so I doubt if you'll read this. Ah well.

 

[pogofish]

Trump accusing anyone of foreign interference is a bit rich.

Yup! - He was quite happy to have a go at the Lib-Dems, quite viciously over Menie. Indeed, he trundled out/rehearsed his whole "Hillary's secret email server" shite against Debra Storr and her party first.

He also held one of his first campaign events for his last run in Scotland, at Menie.

Also, both the Republicans and Democrats have overseas branches campaigning in a number of countries with significant expat populations.

 

[magneze]

Whilst I've now chosen to swerve Xitter completely, banning embeds is, by now over 15 years of that place existing and being used for breaking news, comment and everything else, real 'finger in the dam' stuff.

So we should all just get Twitter accounts now? This seems like the right time to do that?

 

[Sue]

WTF were the Labour Party and Harris' campaign team thinking of in setting this up? Did they really not realise how US voters, particularly those inclining towards Trump, are going to react to this?

They've been doing this for years -- I remember at least one Labour wannabe candidate going on about working on Obama's campaign, for example. I'm really surprised people weren't aware of it.

I have a feeling Tory members have done the same for the Republicans, though maybe not recently for the presidential elections because of Trump.

 

[Chz]

The post should contain the essential content of the tweet. I often spoiler it, or put it in quotes.
The link to the tweet itself is a reference. If you want to check my references, that's fine but it's on you to figure it out.

So, empty posts with embedded tweets should be abhorred. At least summarise it, unless it's the Bandwidth thread.
By the same token, if the poster has taken the time and effort to do that then they shouldn't also have the onus of putting their references into a convenient format for everyone else. If you're aware that X/Daily Telegraph/whatever else scrapers exist then you can use them yourself.

That's my thoughts on it.

 

[bluescreen]

Although my initial reaction to the Trump campaign's legal action against Labour was mirth at the sheer hypocrisy from Trump, and the naive arrogance from Labour, I now have my head in my hands. The truth of it never matters in stories like this, so it doesn't matter if it was simple cackhandedness this side of the pond that falls far short of illegality - it's how it can be spun by Trump's campaign: Look! The Brits are interfering in our election! Trump's supporters are never going to look beyond that headline.

 

[PR1Berske]

So we should all just get Twitter accounts now? This seems like the right time to do that?

As my journey on both this forum and Xitter has proven, I absolutely do not recommend getting an account over there .

 

[cupid_stunt]

As my journey on both this forum and Xitter has proven, I absolutely do not recommend getting an account over there .

I wouldn't recommend getting an account here, TBH.