planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
We need to understand the conditions that produce a racist vote is how I've read you. Which is fair enough.
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We need to understand the conditions that produce a racist vote is how I've read you. Which is fair enough.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Shared history of British colonialism plus it's the first thing you hit travelling west from Jamaica. Belize is a great place and I'd recommend anyone to visit. Very Jamaican in Belize City and on the islands (because yes some of it is islands).
Plus the last thing they want to be is Guatemalans.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This, absolutely.
LakieLady
Well-Known Member
It crossed my mind that the fuckwit might not realise that Spain is in Europe...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
fwiw the ghost-writer of that (Trump didn't write any of it), Tony Schwarz, has since stated that he regrets writing it, and back in 2016 he was considering leaving the country if Trump was elected as he knew how Trump dealt with enemies, such as Schwarz had then become.I'm reading a free PDF of The Art of The Deal at the moment. I think it's definitely worth a read to understand what some Trump supporters see in the guy. On the other hand large sections of it are completely batshit.
Schwarz has also said that the book is a total fabrication. It's all bullshit.
Cloo
Banana for scale
So a lot of election fear has (understandably) been around a national abortion ban and Project 2025. I'm still interested into whether people think Trump will enact either - my personal feeling is that he won't. He, personally, doesn't give a shit about abortion, I am sure and 'let the states decide' is a play for both sides of the fence, albeit a terrible, awful and destructive one. I think he means it when he distances himself from Project 2025 - it may be from people who back him, but it doesn't mean he will back it. Most likely because it's someone else's idea and he will not want someone else's idea unless, and this is possible, they will sweet talk him into about how much he'll get from it.
Of course anyone who takes over if he dies before his term is out, of natural causes or otherwise (quite likely) could be much more amenable to both.
Of course anyone who takes over if he dies before his term is out, of natural causes or otherwise (quite likely) could be much more amenable to both.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Think that's the big danger, we're likely to get Vance who is supposedly Thiel's creature.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Yes, the 'upside' of Vance is that I don't think he'll command the MAGAs' fervour because it is a cult of personality and no one can take over as the head of one of those.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yeah, I think it all comes down to implementation - and as I understand it, 2025 isn't one big thing but lots of different proposals, so very possible that he'll implement some bits but not others. It all depends how much people are willing to let him do and what's actually feasible, it's not like he got a huge amount of that wall built in 2017-2020.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
As there has been repeated attempts to assassinate Trump, the Americans must surely give Trump more guns. He should be carrying an assault rifle over his shoulder, and several pistols in holsters at all times. None of the assassination attempts would have happened if he was armed.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And every single one of them is hideous. Trump has two years of a trifecta - majorities in both houses - and that is a scary prospect.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I totally get that even the possibility of Project 2025 is a serious threat so it's not right to snort 'Oh g'wan it's never going to happen'. There's plenty of things about this administration that may or may not happen, but the bad ones are sufficiently bad that it's understandable to be terrified.
I've seen someone people online going 'Oh well gosh, nothing happened to LGBTQ+ people last time, stop panicking' but the fact is things have got eight years more toxic since he last stood. It does appear there will be horrible consequence for trans people, and in particular a very strong move against any recognition of trans children. Tellingly, the end of the statement (and I'm not going to even look at that vile page again) says something like 'In schools we will teach about the importance of mothers and fathers and celebrate the difference between men and women rather than trying to conceal them', and you know full fucking well that from these people 'celebrate the difference between men and women' means saying: 'Men are the best at everything and much stronger and cleverer than women, but women have the special gift of being kind and pretty and gentle so they love to be at home and look after children and their husband'. And you also know that making a big deal about trans children (of whom there are very few) will lead to an overt or covert pressure that girls better not have short hair, boys better not have long hair that eventually lead into much less superficial demands of gender conformism.
I do wonder whether a lot more left wing people will take their kids out of school, especially if a very Christian/gender rigid/homophobic approach becomes the mandate, and whether the authorities will remain as 'It's parents' choice how to educate their kids' for people who might not be doing so because they are Christian, or if they'll suddenly decide to take an interest then as to what kids are being taught at home.
I've seen someone people online going 'Oh well gosh, nothing happened to LGBTQ+ people last time, stop panicking' but the fact is things have got eight years more toxic since he last stood. It does appear there will be horrible consequence for trans people, and in particular a very strong move against any recognition of trans children. Tellingly, the end of the statement (and I'm not going to even look at that vile page again) says something like 'In schools we will teach about the importance of mothers and fathers and celebrate the difference between men and women rather than trying to conceal them', and you know full fucking well that from these people 'celebrate the difference between men and women' means saying: 'Men are the best at everything and much stronger and cleverer than women, but women have the special gift of being kind and pretty and gentle so they love to be at home and look after children and their husband'. And you also know that making a big deal about trans children (of whom there are very few) will lead to an overt or covert pressure that girls better not have short hair, boys better not have long hair that eventually lead into much less superficial demands of gender conformism.
I do wonder whether a lot more left wing people will take their kids out of school, especially if a very Christian/gender rigid/homophobic approach becomes the mandate, and whether the authorities will remain as 'It's parents' choice how to educate their kids' for people who might not be doing so because they are Christian, or if they'll suddenly decide to take an interest then as to what kids are being taught at home.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
TBH on a global scale, the biggest damage he is certain to do is to do with the environment and climate change. Trump is a disaster for the environment - we have his record from his first term to prove it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
It's going to be unbelievable shit for lots of people but I think the main danger of Trump is for far right and misogynistic sentiments to be completely mainstreamed in society (US and otherwise) and for the Dems to just pander to it - and for far right actors to take matters in their own hands without his explicit approval - especially if Trump guts federal agencies the way hes proposing to do. I don't think Donald Trump can create a fascist state in 18 months even if he was the most stable, determined man in the world.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Well, that's exactly my point. They're currently A-OK with people taking their kids out of school to teach any depth of anti-scientific, abusive nonsense, but if more people take their kids out of the public system because they don't want imposed religion, homophobia and gender stereotyping, I wonder if all home education won't be equal.
I should add there is already some home education that is like this, for example black parents who home educate because of the overt and underlying racism they are concerned about in the education system.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
this goes to a deeper question on this board but all over the left (however conceived). since my teens, the default setting has been that people are widgets created in a factory called society and are not will-ful actors, "but i, being a bien-pensant, know this and am educating others to their own minds".
my own position is that otoh, no human ever has lived in a perfectly postmodern world where one can pick from a menu of affects/expressions/feelings and construct an identity out of them; so we're all constrained, differently in different eras. otoh, unless you can show me synapses running out of one person's head and into another's, nobody knows anything ever of anyone else's interior experience, until you've known a person long enough to get a sense of that, which takes years.
so our strong theoreticians here (no names) should wind their necks in and take people at their word until otherwise indicated. there's nothing, for example, the matter with kansas: those poeple have knowingly chosen to take ideological satisfaction over material satisfaction, and those attempting to shoehorn the lives of others into their own categories can fuck off.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Bloody liberal.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
One of the most depressing comments I've heard over the last few days is that it would have been better if Trump won in 2020, which is depressing because it's true. They seem so much more prepared and organised now, and I think things have shifted culturally to allow them to get away with more as well.
Agree but that shift has continued to happen over the last four years without Trump as President. See Twitter.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Huge movement taking place; Possible 3rd impeachment looming
www.newsweek.com
Steve Bannon warns of potential third Donald Trump impeachment
Trump is the only president in U.S. history to have been impeached twice by the House of Representatives.
www.newsweek.com
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Cloo
Banana for scale
I think he would have won in 2020 but for COVID.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I'm sorry that my post had that effect on you.
But I was not abusive and I made almost the opposite point to the one you think I was doing - I specifically argued that the formal or informal views that people hold are not the crucial factor, but rather their relationship to the means of production.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Quite possibly, a lot of people think so for sure.
VivaE
Well-Known Member
Charisma and trump. So hard to reconcile the charm-free two.
Whatever his appeal is, it's not charisma-based.
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Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
WTF? How are they going to manage that??? That stinks to high heaven of bannonite bullshit in full flow...Huge movement taking place; Possible 3rd impeachment looming
Steve Bannon warns of potential third Donald Trump impeachment
Trump is the only president in U.S. history to have been impeached twice by the House of Representatives.
Yossarian
⏭️
I don't think the Democrats have much chance of winning the House anyway - Republicans need six more seats for a majority and they're ahead in at least 10 close races that haven't been called yet.
But if they retake the majority in 2026, they probably won't rule out impeaching Trump for the many crimes he will have committed by then, especially if there are many deaths in the massive deportation camps he has vowed to set up
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