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Doctor Who Series 10

I had a dream I was snogging Pearl Mackie last night.
No, it's not relevant to the thread but I thought you should know that Dream Pearl Mackie is a very good kisser :oops::D
 
It was a brilliant job if they hadn't done a close up of his eyes I don't think I would have known it was him until the reveal even knowing he was going to appear, it was a lovely little homage to classic who.
having just watched it again, there's the bit where he says "Very fast bottom" and it is just blatantly him. Once you know it is.

I take it we are meant to assume The Master somehow stopped the original crew members returning immediately. Otherwise, what did?
 
the event horizon? Although its possible the master fucked with something to make the ship get caught like that
 
Time. The Master (as we now know) and the Doctor both explained that.
And yet they detected Bill, walked to the lift, operated the lift and arrived in minutes rather than years from the point of arrival and detection to collect her body.
 
And yet they detected Bill, walked to the lift
Going from the top to the bottom isn't the problem: going from the bottom to the to is.

I'm not sure what you mean by "arrived in minutes rather than years from the point of arrival and detection to collect her body".

We know that what took a long time (months? Years?) for Bill was only minutes for them.
 
You've got things the wrong way around.
Nope. Slow at the blackhole top. Fast at the bottom.

Relative to the top going up one level should take months.
For this not to happen the lifts would have to not be subject to time or move so fast that they'd be mush on the floor.
 
Nope. Slow at the blackhole top. Fast at the bottom.

Relative to the top going up one level should take months.
For this not to happen the lifts would have to not be subject to time or move so fast that they'd be mush on the floor.

months near the blackhole, minutes away from it.
In the lifts the time dilation would ease as you went away from the blackhole so (making up numbers) if it took 6 months in top-time for the proto-cybermen to go get Bill and come back, it took the proto-cyberman 3 months, Bill 1.5months and the Doctor/Missy/Nardole minutes.
I think anyway the time dilation for someone moving back and forth between the two spaces would be half of what the slower time line experiences.

That all works I think, but there must be some reason why the other people don't just get the lifts to escape their horrible environment. There is some dialogue between the Master and Bill about Bill not being told where the lifts are or how to get back up so perhaps the master has kept this knowledge to himself. I bet it won't get explained but I think this is the the best explanation, that the master held all the original people and the knowledge was lost as the generations passed, except to the master. Or simple physical control over the space.
 
months near the blackhole, minutes away from it.
In the lifts the time dilation would ease as you went away from the blackhole so (making up numbers) if it took 6 months in top-time for the proto-cybermen to go get Bill and come back, it took the proto-cyberman 3 months, Bill 1.5months and the Doctor/Missy/Nardole minutes.
I think anyway the time dilation for someone moving back and forth between the two spaces would be half of what the slower time line experiences.

That all works I think, but there must be some reason why the other people don't just get the lifts to escape their horrible environment. There is some dialogue between the Master and Bill about Bill not being told where the lifts are or how to get back up so perhaps the master has kept this knowledge to himself. I bet it won't get explained but I think this is the the best explanation, that the master held all the original people and the knowledge was lost as the generations passed, except to the master. Or simple physical control over the space.
Logistics. 6 weeks would require alot of food and water.

Also I haven't rewatched but Bill was told to wait. A message from the Doctor implanted in her subconscious. How powerful was that shit? People in Doctor Who can hypnotise people to murder. Arsehole mind raped her all the way to the operating table. Egotistical fuck. What purpose did the message even serve? A simple message saying he knew she was alive would of been enough to make her aware she wasn't abandoned and give her the option to escape if she wanted. If you've been tutoring her for months and taking her on trips through time and space and still don't trust her to act sensibly without a stupid instruction given in ignorance of the situation she'd be facing leave her the fuck at home.
 
months near the blackhole, minutes away from it.
In the lifts the time dilation would ease as you went away from the blackhole so (making up numbers) if it took 6 months in top-time for the proto-cybermen to go get Bill and come back, it took the proto-cyberman 3 months, Bill 1.5months and the Doctor/Missy/Nardole minutes.
I think anyway the time dilation for someone moving back and forth between the two spaces would be half of what the slower time line experiences.

That all works I think, but there must be some reason why the other people don't just get the lifts to escape their horrible environment. There is some dialogue between the Master and Bill about Bill not being told where the lifts are or how to get back up so perhaps the master has kept this knowledge to himself. I bet it won't get explained but I think this is the the best explanation, that the master held all the original people and the knowledge was lost as the generations passed, except to the master. Or simple physical control over the space.
Or perhaps the lift journey would only take months for the people left behind not those making the journey. If you observed the lift from a stationary position on any one of the floors as it passed you it would appear to be moving at its normal speed. From the bottom as it rises the lift would appear to decelerate and from the top accelerate but for someone on the lift it would rise steadily. It maybe easier to visualise walking. If a cyberman was walking up the ship with magnetic boots from the bottom to the top of the ship it would take from their perspective the same amount of time to take each step. For them the journey would take the same length of time as if there were no time dilation. They set of at four miles an hours it would take them 100 hours (they don't need to stop for food or sleep they're cybermen) Blue guy would see them walk incredibly fast getting slower as they got closer to him taking the last few steps at normal walking pace. John Simm would see them start off at normal pace getting slower and slower as they get further away. The sensors the blue guy uses should see it this way rather than, irrc, the steady pace shown. Much like the masters eyebrow watching screen would show the lift rise slowly over weeks or whatever if the doors were open.
 
In the lifts the time dilation would ease as you went away from the blackhole so (making up numbers) if it took 6 months in top-time for the proto-cybermen to go get Bill and come back, it took the proto-cyberman 3 months, Bill 1.5months and the Doctor/Missy/Nardole minutes.
This is the bit I take issue with. For Bill and the proto-cybermen it took exactly how long the journey would take normally. They would pass each floor at what seemed a perfectly normal speed for them. If it travels at aconstant 4000 miles an hour (I plucked that ridiculous speec out of the air) it would take 6 minutes. It would leave Simm and arrive at the Doctor at this speed measured from their respective frames of reference but Simm would see it slow to around 1/133000 (based on 2 days equalling a thousand years) of this by the time it reached the top while for the Doctor it would appear to be travelling at 560,000,000 miles per hour when it reached the bottom. Bill would experience a 6 minute ride. The Proto cybermen two 6 minute rides.
 
Okay, about to settle down...

Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
Please don't let love save the day (again)
 
I was just coming to say enjoy these last few moments before everything good, exciting or interesting from last week is shit on.
 
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