Doctor Who Series 10

[Vintage Paw]

Until I just saw a gif of him in the makeup chair, I legit didn't even realise that was Simm in makeup the whole episode. I genuinely thought it was another actor and then cgi shenanigans as he whipped off the mask and they whisked Simm on set for the next bit. It was so incredibly well done.

 

[Balbi]

The only slightly worrying thing for me is that it all seems to being going gung-ho next week. Has there ever been a great second part following a great first one in new Who?

Family of Blood

 

[ginger_syn]

That was all a bit Girl In the Fireplace really.

Moffat likes to recycle his ideas.

Girl in the Fightening Cyberhospital.

I expected the doctor from Hellraiser 2 to float by

I didn't get that vibe at all, for me with a hard push maybe a tiny tiny flavour of the girl who waited with a vague hint of silent hill, and if he did recycle ideas he did a bloody good job of it.

 

[kabbes]

Until I just saw a gif of him in the makeup chair, I legit didn't even realise that was Simm in makeup the whole episode. I genuinely thought it was another actor and then cgi shenanigans as he whipped off the mask and they whisked Simm on set for the next bit. It was so incredibly well done.

I didn't realise until you just said! Fair play to all involved.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Until I just saw a gif of him in the makeup chair, I legit didn't even realise that was Simm in makeup the whole episode. I genuinely thought it was another actor and then cgi shenanigans as he whipped off the mask and they whisked Simm on set for the next bit. It was so incredibly well done.

Wow, I hadn't twigged that at all.

 

[ginger_syn]

Until I just saw a gif of him in the makeup chair, I legit didn't even realise that was Simm in makeup the whole episode. I genuinely thought it was another actor and then cgi shenanigans as he whipped off the mask and they whisked Simm on set for the next bit. It was so incredibly well done.

It was a brilliant job if they hadn't done a close up of his eyes I don't think I would have known it was him until the reveal even knowing he was going to appear, it was a lovely little homage to classic who.

 

[Plumdaff]

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[spanglechick]

I knew it was someone familiar under there - there was something in the speech and the mouth itself... but despite knowing Simm was due soon, I was enjoying it all too much to put two and two together.

I just thought it was a well-known actor under a lot of makeup, like rufus hound that time.

 

[Wilf]

I seem to remember the last time Simm was revealed as the master, the Jacobi thing, it was some high tech wizardry concealing his identity even to the point where he didn't know who he was till the reveal. This was a Scooby Doo rubber mask homage.

 

[Gromit]

So do we think that missy is only playing along to be in a position to undermine the master?

Or did she turn back to full evil faster than Teresa May u-turn?

 

[Who PhD]

Simm Master said to her something about being her prime minister, which leads me to think maybe Missy is what became of his wife while he was pretending to be Harold Saxon

 

[spanglechick]

Simm Master said to her something about being her prime minister, which leads me to think maybe Missy is what became of his wife while he was pretending to be Harold Saxon

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He was just explaining that he needed a disguise because otherwise Bill would've recognised him as Saxon, surely?

 

[joustmaster]

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He was just explaining that he needed a disguise because otherwise Bill would've recognised him as Saxon, surely?

Didn't they fly round the earth really quickly and reverse time, or something, so everyone forgot all that business?

 

[Who PhD]

Didn't they fly round the earth really quickly and reverse time, or something, so everyone forgot all that business?

Paradox engine

 

[Gromit]

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He was just explaining that he needed a disguise because otherwise Bill would've recognised him as Saxon, surely?

This.

 

[Who PhD]

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He was just explaining that he needed a disguise because otherwise Bill would've recognised him as Saxon, surely?

He was saying all that to Missy who clearly wouldn't give a toss what Bill thought.

 

[Gromit]

He was saying all that to Missy who clearly wouldn't give a toss what Bill thought.

Let's be honest, he said it all to us, to justify the disguise.

 

[CNT36]

that was doctor who at its finest. Self referencing stuff by the bucketload- venusian aikido lol and 'I waited'. I bet i missed loads more.

stolen shots: long tracking shot of spaceship, Star wars. Bill with a big hole in her stomach? Death Becomes Her

A proper sci fi plotline with time dilation in full play as a concept. Missy's pisstaking and then oh hello Simms.

I now theorise that this is early simms master (pre-white clothes and timelock fuckery) who was pootling about in the section of the ship thats in the older time stream

that makes sense if you watch doctor who doesn't it

The Masters timeline doesn't leave much room for that. He's dead after the paradox machine stuff and only resurrected at the beginning of the End of Time. At the end of that one he disappears when the Doctor sends Gallifrey back into the Time War. He was either sent back there later escaping somehow possibly with a nice new Tardis, hung around til Gallifrey reappeared or he'd just run off while everyone was busy. As he mentioned he'd already been prime minister this seems like the only time he had free to visit black holes.

 

[CNT36]

Didn't they fly round the earth really quickly and reverse time, or something, so everyone forgot all that business?

He was still prime minister for a while. It only reset to when he became the big boss.

 

[danny la rouge]

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He was just explaining that he needed a disguise because otherwise Bill would've recognised him as Saxon, surely?

Do people remember all that? I didn't realise. They should be less surprised by stuff then.

(I hated all that. It was shit).

 

[CNT36]

Simm Master said to her something about being her prime minister, which leads me to think maybe Missy is what became of his wife while he was pretending to be Harold Saxon

You should try watching some Doctor Who sometime.

 

[Chz]

Favourite fan theory I've heard:
Simm isn't from Missy's past. She regenerates into Derek Jacobi when it's all over and done.

 

[Gromit]

Favourite fan theory I've heard:
Simm isn't from Missy's past. She regenerates into Derek Jacobi when it's all over and done.

The actor?!

 

[DotCommunist]

The Masters timeline doesn't leave much room for that

but surely, like all the 'missing adventure' books in Who show that time travellers might have enourmously long and even hidden timelines. I could spend 10 years on planet exarg and still be back two seconds after I'd just left you. But your other reasons do make me doubt my theory. We shall see

 

[CNT36]

but surely, like all the 'missing adventure' books in Who show that time travellers might have enourmously long and even hidden timelines. I could spend 10 years on planet exarg and still be back two seconds after I'd just left you. But your other reasons do make me doubt my theory. We shall see

Aye. I did think that. The Master was only able to travel between Earth and the end of the universe with about 18 months give for the only time not accounted for unless he had a way of getting around in addition to the Tardis.

 

[CNT36]

Favourite fan theory I've heard:
Simm isn't from Missy's past. She regenerates into Derek Jacobi when it's all over and done.

There is an upcoming War Master series of audios coming out featuring Jacobi's Master in the Time War. On screen it is implied that he had grown from a child to an old man as a human only being evil looking like Jacobi for a few minutes. This could mean the chameleon arch (thing that turned him human) gave him false memories and he'd only been human a short while or it turned an aging Jacobi lookalike Time Lord into a human child. This sort of makes it a possibility however Simm's Master made it pretty clear she was his future. Unless Jacobi was not the first in the Master's new regeneration cycle no one regenerated into him.

 

[Who PhD]

You should try watching some Doctor Who sometime.

bada boom!

 

[Who PhD]

Favourite fan theory I've heard:
Simm isn't from Missy's past. She regenerates into Derek Jacobi when it's all over and done.

Interesting, they'd have to explain how she put herself into the fob watch and how that ended up with Jacobi, but it would be a very moffat thing to do

 

[SpookyFrank]

Scooby Doo rubber mask homage.

This phrase has a lovely cadence to it, well done.

 

[CNT36]

Interesting, they'd have to explain how she put herself into the fob watch and how that ended up with Jacobi, but it would be a very moffat thing to do

Not really. If a species changing device can't switch the apparent age and gender of a user it ain't worth shit.