Doctor Who Series 10
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Steel Icarus
we move
It was, it was cheap.
And the end...very familiar.
"Hear that....?" (music begins to swell) "...that's PEOPLE!" (Music gets over-loud, Doctor assumes triumphal tone) "...and they're broadcasting to the world!"
And the end...very familiar.
"Hear that....?" (music begins to swell) "...that's PEOPLE!" (Music gets over-loud, Doctor assumes triumphal tone) "...and they're broadcasting to the world!"
Steel Icarus
we move
Fairly sure I'm not the key demographic but by crikey I'm finding this series tough going.
Helen Back
:-)
Why put on a fake regen show for Bill? I'm pretty sure Bill doesn't know what a regen looks like or even that it exists.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Not seen the episode yet but the Fallout reference of this post made me both laugh and bow my head in respect
Plus it's true!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the day saved by love at the end again, regen tease played for cheap- load of crap. Weak episode
She doesn't. a couple of episodes back she made an offhand comment about him being injured and 'regenerating' to which he grimaced to camera knowinlgy that she couldn't see.
Now it's all bollocks.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Another poor episode, in my opinion.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It wasn't for Bill, it was for us. And it had no point at all. Which is why it was crap.
(If he can regenerate at will, why not regenerate his eyesight? I thought he could only do that sort of thing during regeneration cusp periods?)
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
well, he used regen energy to give Davros one last evil rant so who knows anymore
I'm sure Moffatt occasionally used to write episodes that weren't the worst kind of utter drivel.
By the way -- the monks needed a whole load of infrastructure and the right human link to get their view of the world into everybody's heads. And yet they can just make everybody forget about them with a snap of the claws. But they still needed to run away anyway. None of it even makes sense within its own logic.
And shouldn't everybody now have in their heads Bill's mum as a kind of ur-goddess, of ultimate love and perfection?
By the way -- the monks needed a whole load of infrastructure and the right human link to get their view of the world into everybody's heads. And yet they can just make everybody forget about them with a snap of the claws. But they still needed to run away anyway. None of it even makes sense within its own logic.
And shouldn't everybody now have in their heads Bill's mum as a kind of ur-goddess, of ultimate love and perfection?
he's like jesus or jeremy corbyn!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Blink is an all time, all eras classic of an episode
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
He also wrote The Empty Child, which is excellent.
If you look at the overall plan of the monks, it really is utter bollocks.
Why did they need an earth-ending crisis? All they actually needed was a single human who was desperate, and those are ten a penny.
Why did they need millions of years of simulation? In the end, they could apparently predict an event that was the very definition of random and hence unpredictable. It was nothing to do with simulation.
What happens if the linchpin never has kids? Something like one in three people in the U.K. don't (from memory). And Bill is gay, which must reduce the odds further. Or maybe the linchpin would have been one of those generals who is too old to have any more kids at this point. So their whole plan falls over after one generation because of something outside their control?
What, in Moffatt's head, was actually going on throughout this story? Meticulous careful planning that results in the prediction of something unpredictable that then is not the thing anyway that triggers the result (which was actually the Doctor overcoming their real plan), so actually the plan happens because of just one random nobody, and it can all in any case be undone by something outside the monks' control. And for what, exactly? What were they getting out of this ruling some backwater planet?
The worst, utter bobbins plot conceivable.
Why did they need an earth-ending crisis? All they actually needed was a single human who was desperate, and those are ten a penny.
Why did they need millions of years of simulation? In the end, they could apparently predict an event that was the very definition of random and hence unpredictable. It was nothing to do with simulation.
What happens if the linchpin never has kids? Something like one in three people in the U.K. don't (from memory). And Bill is gay, which must reduce the odds further. Or maybe the linchpin would have been one of those generals who is too old to have any more kids at this point. So their whole plan falls over after one generation because of something outside their control?
What, in Moffatt's head, was actually going on throughout this story? Meticulous careful planning that results in the prediction of something unpredictable that then is not the thing anyway that triggers the result (which was actually the Doctor overcoming their real plan), so actually the plan happens because of just one random nobody, and it can all in any case be undone by something outside the monks' control. And for what, exactly? What were they getting out of this ruling some backwater planet?
The worst, utter bobbins plot conceivable.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Some very good acting from Pearl Mackie I thought, all the more impressive considering the idiotic plot.
Yeah, I like her. Although there were times even she couldn't pull it off, on the grounds that it had gone past parody, let alone srs acting.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
you get the impression he sometimes is just thinking about cool shots and weaving a plot around a series of images or something. Which doesn't seem right given we know he can produce the goods, here and on Sherlock
Gromit
International Man of Misery
So that was the final part of a three parter.
Did the Monks deserve a three parter?
Quite frankly no. They were no Darleks.
Part 1 offended me because it was all quite frankly all completely pointless.
Part 2 I kinda enjoyed despite the plot holes.
Part 3 Tried to make out the whole Monk thing is a commentary on Project Fear and fake news and throwed in things like 'viral'. It tried to be down with the kids like someone's dad saying Sick Bra! in an attempt to sound cool n with-it.
It didn't flow, it was drawn out and boring, nonsensical with a deus ex machina ending that was so stupid it drew you out of fantasy. Wtf has an imaginary mum got to do with the price of haddock?
The silence of the lambs type set piece failed to scare and another example of fragmenting the plot flow.
The only thing of any value was Pearl Mackie's dramatic acting. Sadly wasted on a crap episode. Better saved for a finale or summat.
Did the Monks deserve a three parter?
Quite frankly no. They were no Darleks.
Part 1 offended me because it was all quite frankly all completely pointless.
Part 2 I kinda enjoyed despite the plot holes.
Part 3 Tried to make out the whole Monk thing is a commentary on Project Fear and fake news and throwed in things like 'viral'. It tried to be down with the kids like someone's dad saying Sick Bra! in an attempt to sound cool n with-it.
It didn't flow, it was drawn out and boring, nonsensical with a deus ex machina ending that was so stupid it drew you out of fantasy. Wtf has an imaginary mum got to do with the price of haddock?
The silence of the lambs type set piece failed to scare and another example of fragmenting the plot flow.
The only thing of any value was Pearl Mackie's dramatic acting. Sadly wasted on a crap episode. Better saved for a finale or summat.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Sherlock properly jumped the shark though, thanks to a similar problem with increasingly ludicrous plotting punctuated by overwrought 'character' bits.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I'm glad you articulated it. I just felt that it was such bollocks at every level that I just couldn't be bothered to engage with it after about ten minutes - my aspie need for things to properly make sense. After I asked Rich to explain it to me he clearly hadn't bought it either but is too much of a Who fan to admit it. No redeeming features whatsoever.
He'd already set the story though. The damage was done. It was the least worst of the trilogy, in fact.
True, but the other two parts I felt were promising enough. It's just this was such a rushed lazy ending. So the monks (all five of them) take over the world with their carefully engineered foolproof scheme, and then at the first sign of rough waters they bugger off toes lively!
At least the Daleks would have nuked the site from orbit with a poison bomb!
I blame Jeremy Corbyn
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Mackie was indeed great, but Bill's reaction to the Doctor's trick was completely implausible. He didn't just play a practical joke on her... he drove her to the point of crossing over the line of greatest taboo and made her feel forced to murder someone, and moreover, someone she loves. That kind of thing fucks someone up for keeps... finding out they didn't actually die doesn't undo the fact that she actually made herself cross that line.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
It's like Amy and Rory's trauma and grief of their newborn being abducted all being made well by finding they'd known her at school and getting to spend time with her in her forties.
It's just lazy writing.
It's just lazy writing.
Yes. the gun thing was desperately fucked up. Especially for a show that's not about resorting to violence to solve problems. Yet that's exactly what this doctor has done, he 'forced' bill to shoot him.
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