Doctor Who Series 10

[danny la rouge]

It was just a cheap, lazy twist without a plot. It was basically "and then we woke up". The Alice and Wonderland ending that even primary kids get marked down for. And it wasn't even deployed for any good reason. Here's the script meeting:

- Missy is in a box.
- How did she get there?
- Oh, what's that thing that rapey far right douchbags say on the internet?
- red pill?
-yeah, that. Do that.
- OK. But how would it work?
- oh, just start filming. It'll be fine.

 

[DotCommunist]

we know the big bad is going to be missy and the old school cybermen (cybermen are my least liked premier league baddie) anyway so in all...

I read somewhere that Moffat has a bit of an obsession with the RCC, I don't know if that is true but in this case it was purely to be a bit da vinci code and have a comedy pope moment. Perhaps next week will be a history one where they travel back to see uncle mo (pbuh).

 

[Gromit]

It was just a cheap, lazy twist without a plot. It was basically "and then we woke up". The Alice and Wonderland ending that even primary kids get marked down for. And it wasn't even deployed for any good reason. Here's the script meeting:

- Missy is in a box.
- How did she get there?
- Oh, what's that thing that rapey far right douchbags say on the internet?
- red pill?
-yeah, that. Do that.
- OK. But how would it work?
- oh, just start filming. It'll be fine.

I remember being 14. Running out of time. It was all a dream. Wow how clever am I? Genius. No one has ever come up with anything as clever.

Teacher drops the bomb that it's the oldest cheat in the world.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's a shame because this series had until that point been far better.

Never mind. Maybe next week will pick up again.

 

[ginger_syn]

So, at what point did the story switch over to the matrix version oof the world and characters?

Thing is this had much more emotional impact when Moffat did the same thing with gangers who were living alongside humans. This was just a bit low stakes - though on paper it shouldn't be. Also not sure that suicide would be the only, or even dominant response.

It started when the doctor opened the extremis email, you can see a burst of static as the recording starts to play.

 

[Who PhD]

Good job the episode wasn't called extremity, otherwise it'd be based on that other kind of email we all get

 

[kabbes]

The crowning moment of bollocks is that isn't even how an RNG works. The seed for the RNG depends on all the initial conditions, which would include things like the individual choosing the next random number and the nth decimal places of the system clock when the RNG is picked, which would be different for each individual picking it. When Grand Theft Auto has its characters do something semi-randomised, you don't think every character in the game always picks the same random number, do you?

 

[Santino]

Among the other plot flaws, I don't mind at all that 'it was all a dream'. That's a rubbish get out when you've tangled yourself in other narrative difficulties, but not when the whole premise of a story is that the whole world might be a dream.

 

[Gromit]

The crowning moment of bollocks is that isn't even how an RNG works. The seed for the RNG depends on all the initial conditions, which would include things like the individual choosing the next random number and the nth decimal places of the system clock when the RNG is picked, which would be different for each individual picking it. When Grand Theft Auto has its characters do something semi-randomised, you don't think every character in the game always picks the same random number, do you?

Also there is a timing issue. To pick exactly the same number you'd have to pick the exact same time. Micro seconds count. That room full of people at CERN should have had people picking the next number and the one after that at the very least (purely because of individual lag) then very definitely one person on their very own (that person who always claps last).

 

[spanglechick]

It's a bloody useless simulation of how humans would react, if it isn't sophisticated enough to allow individual randomised responses.

 

[ebonics]

Granted, I'm practically innumerate, but I had to laugh when the Doctor said "computers aren't good with numbers." Like, I'd think that the one thing you'd say computers were good with would be, you know, numbers

 

[Who PhD]

Does this simulation come with a giant animated paperclip?

"it appears as if you are trying to simulate a planned invasion"

 

[belboid]

I dont understand peoples problems with the last one. The book was snuck into the AI by real humans, and so was unprepared for by the aliens. Okay, so they should have been able to fix it relatively simply, but it's a perfectly sound plot device, quite an effective one even.

But then, I am a sucker for well done Name of the Rose references, and there were so many, neatly done. I loved it.

 

[Who PhD]

Where do you get that it was a book that existed in the real world? I thought the veritas was someone in the matrix discovering the truth and printing it, all within the simulation.

Is that air you'r breathing neo?

 

[DotCommunist]

'I know venusian aikido'

 

[Who PhD]

Is that Bessie you're driving, or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?

 

[BigTom]

Where do you get that it was a book that existed in the real world? I thought the veritas was someone in the matrix discovering the truth and printing it, all within the simulation.

Is that air you'r breathing neo?

I remember a line where the doctor says it is there as a test to see if the subjects can work out they are in a simulation. I think it was put there purposefully as a test, ludicrous as that is.

 

[kabbes]

I remember a line where the doctor says it is there as a test to see if the subjects can work out they are in a simulation. I think it was put there purposefully as a test, ludicrous as that is.

A test of what, though? It can't be just generically testy. And the aliens stop you getting it anyway. And how does the doctor know who put it there anyway?

 

[ginger_syn]

He worked it out once he read/listened to the translation,maybe there's an explanation in the next part of the story or perhaps Moffat put it in to endlessly torment some fans with the whys and wherefore's of it all.

 

[BigTom]

A test of what, though? It can't be just generically testy. And the aliens stop you getting it anyway. And how does the doctor know who put it there anyway?

I've had this on in the background this morning and I was wrong, what the doctor said was that the simulation exists to test the abilities of species on a planet they want to conquer, especially those that can work out they are in a simulation. He doesn't explain why the book exists.

 

[Santino]

If you buy an off-the-shelf alien civilisation simulation package then the Veritas module comes as standard in order to feed back performance data to the developers.

 

[Who PhD]

Monksanto!

(i thought of that pun at about 8-10pm, and have been trying not to forget it. You better fucking like it)

 

[Vintage Paw]

Monksanto!

(i thought of that pun at about 8-10pm, and have been trying not to forget it. You better fucking like it)

Meh.

 

[ginger_syn]

Monksanto!

(i thought of that pun at about 8-10pm, and have been trying not to forget it. You better fucking like it)

I don't get it

 

[stuff_it]

Good job the episode wasn't called extremity, otherwise it'd be based on that other kind of email we all get

Actually I usually get those in mesenger

 

[Helen Back]

At the beginning, what does Penny say after the UN Sec Gen tells them The Doctor is the president of Earth?
"Is it ok if I get a new...?" Sounds like "...a new bar?"

 

[strung out]

An Uber - taxi

 

[DotCommunist]

who will interrupt Bills date next week? the ghost of Jimmy Saville? Angry napolean?

suitably crap leaders of the worlds armies, never change Who. Minus points for no UNIT. Also, lets hope nardole is brown bread

 

[Gromit]

I liked the way they mixed Now into Previous at the start instead of doing the usual What happened last week and now the episode. I thought that was quite clever and it put me into a good mood.

I'm sure that there were holes to pick in the episode because it was a Moffet after all. But I didn't look for em and just went 'Cool a pyramid' etc. In the places I was supposed to.

 

[BigTom]

I liked the way they mixed Now into Previous at the start instead of doing the usual What happened last week and now the episode. I thought that was quite clever and it put me into a good mood.

I'm sure that there were holes to pick in the episode because it was a Moffet after all. But I didn't look for em and just went 'Cool a pyramid' etc. In the places I was supposed to.

It wasn't so bad, the combination lock was laughable, and how come did the gmo thing kill all life on earth but then not affect the dr and only affect nardole because he has human lung? Also when the doctor left the plant room, the first airlock door was left open so surely when he went through the combination lock door would have infected everything.
anyway, the episode could have been done without the previous episode quite happily. Perhaps the doctor will use something learnt in the first episode to defeat the monks, or perhaps moffat is just a shit oh-so-clever writer.