Doctor Who 2023

[Karl Masks]

I sudden realised when I saw their names alongside the title of the episode that it was based (loosely) on an old Doctor Who comics story that's in an anthology I bought for gsv, that I happened to flick through a few weeks ago!

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We quite liked the episode, bit of a cop out with Donna, but all very well done

It was always going to be a copout. All we really want is tennant and tate rocking it. THat's what we get. Though I did think it a bit odd they chose an old comic story. But those comics were solid electric gold

 

[danny la rouge]

I didn't know the actor was trans, (I didn't even notice) and trans wasn't mentioned.

She was dead named by passing school kids, and granny had a moment in the kitchen wondering if she’d said the right thing, Donna reassured her that she had and that it’s ok to get muddled sometimes as long as your intentions are good. It was sweet and not too on the nose. (Chibnall would have gone in too heavily).

(The “binary binary” thing was a bit muddled, but I’m applying Donna’s advice to Sylvia).

It’s great to see representation, to see it handled well overall, and, as you say, that people in general, and kids in particular, will just take it in their stride. That’s how it should be.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hoping Abslom Daak is resurrected at some stage.

But no Daleks or Cybermen, for gods sakes.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

The whole country did not have a meltdown, a few tabloids went to town over it.

I was generalising. It made the BBC, channel 4 and its news, it was talked about A LOT. It would not be worth mentioning in casual conversation today.

 

[Epona]

I was generalising. It made the BBC, channel 4 and its news, it was talked about A LOT. It would not be worth mentioning in casual conversation today.

It was absolutely a breakthrough moment, but for all the right reasons.
It helped with acceptance. It wasn't a case of everyone was horrified. Yes there was a discussion about it, but overall it was positive from what I recall (at least years down the line it was possible to see the positive impact of it).
These moments on TV - they can be important.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

She was dead named by passing school kids, and granny had a moment in the kitchen wondering if she’d said the right thing, Donna reassured her that she had and that it’s ok to get muddled sometimes as long as your intentions are good. It was sweet and not too on the nose. (Chibnall would have gone in too heavily).

(The “binary binary” thing was a bit muddled, but I’m applying Donna’s advice to Sylvia).

It’s great to see representation, to see it handled well overall, and, as you say, that people in general, and kids in particular, will just take it in their stride. That’s how it should be.

Oh I see. I guess I didn't catch either of those two bits. Must have been talking. That makes more sense. I didn't quite understand the bullies bit. I thought she was just having trouble at school. my mistake for not paying attention. Its not a show I watch like the Wire. I wonder if my daughter caught it.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It was absolutely a breakthrough moment, but for all the right reasons.
It helped with acceptance. It wasn't a case of everyone was horrified. Yes there was a discussion about it, but overall it was positive from what I recall.

Well yes indeed. And I agree. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in who was having a meltdown across the country. I thought the comment was obvious. Even the most right wing media outlets wouldn't give bigots complaining about a girl on girl kiss in a soap the time of day today.

 

[Epona]

Well yes indeed. And I agree. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in who was having a meltdown across the country. I thought the comment was obvious. Even the most right wing media outlets wouldn't give bigots complaining about a girl on girl kiss in a soap the time of day today.

Oh yeah no worries, I agree it wouldn't make much of a splash in the news these days in comparison!
Hopefully we'll get to a point where a character being trans or NB isn't so newsworthy too

 

[Santino]

I wonder why they kept Bernard Cribbins character alive, and then teased a brief reunion with him.

 

[Epona]

I wonder why they kept Bernard Cribbins character alive, and then teased a brief reunion with him.

Because he filmed some scenes then died.
He appears in the next episode.

 

[Santino]

Wow. I didn't realise it took so long to actually produce.

 

[danny la rouge]

Wow. I didn't realise it took so long to actually produce.

We’ve been waiting a long, long time for this.

 

[Epona]

Apparently, he was filming for Doctor Who up until a couple of weeks before he died.
I don't know whether they altered the story or his involvement in it around the fact that he died and they only had some scenes filmed, but I think he was already quite frail at that point.
It seems like he had a good life and a long one, doing what he loved, pretty much right up til the end - and I think some of the material they filmed is in the next episode in which case I probably won't be the only one with a bit of dust in my eye

 

[danny la rouge]

Everyone loved Bernard.

 

[PR1Berske]

They filmed some scenes during the Queen's Jubilee, and had been blocked from filming in parts of London as a result.

The opening scenes were filmed in Camden, then the very next scene of Donna and Rose walking down the street is in Cardiff.

 

[Santino]

I was all ready to get cross if someone ran from Camden to Chiswick via the Gherkin.

 

[A380]

Everyone loved Bernard.

Still think they could have linked back to his character in the 1966 Daleks Invasion Earth 2150. Perhaps RTD might this time round...

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, it’s not impossible, but it’s not canonical.

 

[Epona]

It would be a bit of a headfuck tbh, and a very brave and perhaps foolhardy move!

 

[PTK]

So, from where did the ETs who were trying to capture The Meep come?

 

[danny la rouge]

So, from where did the ETs who were trying to capture The Meep come?

Spoiler

The Wrarth Warriors are a police force from the Wrarth Galaxy, tasked with tracking down the last Meep. This info flashed past very quickly, but was expounded during the Doctor’s Shadow Proclamation wig routine confrontation.

But, like the Judoon, we don’t really need to know. Just that they weren’t the baddies after all: the Meep was.

 

[PTK]

Spoiler

The Wrarth Warriors are a police force from the Wrarth Galaxy, tasked with tracking down the last Meep. This info flashed past very quickly, but was expounded during the Doctor’s Shadow Proclamation wig routine confrontation.

But, like the Judoon, we don’t really need to know. Just that they weren’t the baddies after all: the Meep was.

No, I mean, how did they get to Earth? Where was there spaceship? How did they track The Meep?
Furthermore, why does The Doctor keep a wig in his pocket?

 

[seeformiles]

Everyone loved Bernard.

He was my fantasy grandad

 

[danny la rouge]

No, I mean, how did they get to Earth? Where was there spaceship? How did they track The Meep?

Well, they did track the Meep. We saw them communicating as they closed in on the capsule. The lack of clarity about whose ship was whose was important to the plot

Spoiler

We were supposed to think the hypnotised “psychedelic sun”-eyed UNIT soldiers were hypnotised by the Wrarth Warriors. So it couldn’t be spelled out that was the Meep’s ship. We know the Meep crashed as a consequence of the pursuit.

Furthermore, why does The Doctor keep a wig in his pocket?

To stop the jelly babies rattling around on their own.

 

[A380]

No, I mean, how did they get to Earth? Where was there spaceship? How did they track The Meep?
Furthermore, why does The Doctor keep a wig in his pocket?

Matter transportation obvs. That was implied by how the other two and the Meep left.

Wrarth Warrior HQ

Spoiler

 

[PTK]

This episode was just a recycling of bog-standard run-around nu-Who that the writer could have written with his eyes closed.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, I loved it. I love the chemistry between Tenant and Tate, and the Doctor and Sylvia. I thought Rose was fantastic, (and I found Yasmin Finney charming in interviews). Margolyes put in a great voice job as the Meep, there were lovely moments of humour, and the progressiveness was great. Doctor Who has always been progressive, and RTD handles that much better than CChib ever did (perhaps the Punjab episode aside). There was a little too much of shoot outs and explosions for my taste.

Was it up there with Blink as one of my favourite ever episodes? No, but it was great fun, and a good solid 8 out of 10. And the anticipation and release edged the experience a little above that in the TV equivalent of wind factor.

 

[krtek a houby]

Well, it’s not impossible, but it’s not canonical.

Like to think the Cushing stories happened in an alternative universe. Where the Doctor wasn't an alien, just an inventor with a time machine.

 

[seeformiles]

I’m glad the insufferably cutesy Meep turned out evil. What bothered me was the panting and heavy breathing over the end theme tune - Mrs SFM thought it had been overlaid with sounds from a bongo flick

 

[krtek a houby]

I’m glad the insufferably cutesy Meep turned out evil. What bothered me was the panting and heavy breathing over the end theme tune - Mrs SFM thought it had been overlaid with sounds from a bongo flick

Bongo flick?