pogofish
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A lot of them believe that Mexico has eliminated it TBH. Not in the thrall of "big pharma", you see.
Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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A lot of them believe that Mexico has eliminated it TBH. Not in the thrall of "big pharma", you see.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Quite a lot of them are big on "we will forgive" but they won't let everyone else forget it and only after their version of the Nurnberg trials.
ska invita
back on the other side
This bit of the interaction is upsetting...theres a panicked violence that bubbles underneath all this....
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I know this bloke, always a wrong un with delusional thinking but he has surpassed himself this time.
Anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist who encouraged Chris Whitty attack found guilty
Patrick Ruane has been found guilty of terrorism offences after he suggested "whacking" the chief medical adviser.
www.bbc.com
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Because people don’t want to just believe stuff that’s easy to believe. They want to believe really, really fucking stupid stuff to show how good they are at believing.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
If you can tolerate it the 60-odd page ruling goes through his lectures, books, and general reasoning towards why he thinks it was faked. As we've discussed on the Freeman thread, these people are completely down the rabbit hole. They don't see reason, they only deal in conspiracy and looking for secrets and hidden truths. When there is no hidden truth, they assume that it's just obscured rather than not existing. They believe the Manchester Bombing was a simulation because their brains simply refuse to allow any truth in, they only accept hidden truths.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
A sort of warped narcissism is the closest I’ve got. There’s huge emotional gratification out of believing you’ve seen “through the game”
8ball
Decolonise colons!
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
people will say oh but we all believe things on purely spurious, often irrational things.
but no, no these guys are different. as someone said, their arguments start on secretative, "evil behind things" premises that don't even exist. so they will construct a whole world view on an imaginary ghost, mapping out from there. see also the rankest of the covid deniars, with them there was always the "hidden enemy", based on vapour, nothingness. and they lack the intellectual humility to step back, and reflect. political extremists can get like this too but they will still try and map onto reality somewhat...
i can also quite imagine that these guys are a nightmare to live with too, iyswim.
as said many times on here, when my mate disappeared (and never returned) down the rabbit hole, i went on a deep dive into their communities and boy it is fucking wild. absoloutly perilous. there is nothing unfair at all in call them the lunatic fringe and i am the type to use such terms wisely.
but no, no these guys are different. as someone said, their arguments start on secretative, "evil behind things" premises that don't even exist. so they will construct a whole world view on an imaginary ghost, mapping out from there. see also the rankest of the covid deniars, with them there was always the "hidden enemy", based on vapour, nothingness. and they lack the intellectual humility to step back, and reflect. political extremists can get like this too but they will still try and map onto reality somewhat...
i can also quite imagine that these guys are a nightmare to live with too, iyswim.
as said many times on here, when my mate disappeared (and never returned) down the rabbit hole, i went on a deep dive into their communities and boy it is fucking wild. absoloutly perilous. there is nothing unfair at all in call them the lunatic fringe and i am the type to use such terms wisely.
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It is a rabbit hole. I'm not a Saints fan, though I have friends who are, but seeing how quickly and easily Matt Le Tissier became a full-blown conspiracy theorist, to the point of denying actual war crimes, was frightening. As was seeing how many people agreed with him. There are so many people out there who believe in conspiracies and that some shadowy cabal is behind everything (see next paragraph). And once you start questioning vaccines, you start wondering about war crimes and weather control and all sorts. The Bucha massacre couldn't have been real because the MSM mentioned it and we know the MSM lie, right?
And a lot of the time it always comes back to Jews. I mean, blaming us for COVID is nothing new, we were blamed for the plague back in medieval times, but you'd think people might have moved on from just assuming everything is our fault.
And a lot of the time it always comes back to Jews. I mean, blaming us for COVID is nothing new, we were blamed for the plague back in medieval times, but you'd think people might have moved on from just assuming everything is our fault.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I can understand some denialism.
If you were very committed to Marxism, and thought that the USSR (Russia) was a valid expression of Marxism, then you would find it hard to accept reports of the repression in that country. For one thing, the same journalists who called workers in this country greedy for demanding higher wages, and generally promoted right-wing propaganda, were claiming that the USSR was committing mass repression. Why would you believe their claims about the USSR when you knew that they lied about the organised working class everywhere else?
I can see why people might have been be tempted to question the attacks of 11 September 2001. Indeed, given that only a few years before those attacks US neo- conservatives in the Project for the New American Century wrote a document in which they said something along the lines that something like a new Pearl Harbour was needed to re-orientate US foreign policy, it is easy to see why the claim that 9/11 was an "inside job" appealed to some people.
What I cannot at all understand is why people would claim that the bus and tube bombs of 7 July 2005 in London were an "inside job". Those attacks were an embarrassment to Tony Blair. Many people said that if Blair had not supported the invasion of Iraq, then such events would not have occurred. What possible advantage would those attacks give to the government of the UK?
The claim that the Manchester Arena bombing did not happen is more stupid. At least the 7 July "truthers" were not actually denying that the bombs exploded, killing and injuring people.
If the state wished to gain an advantage of some kind from an apparent atrocity, it would be far easier to ensure that an atrocity was actually carried out, than to fake an atrocity.
If you were very committed to Marxism, and thought that the USSR (Russia) was a valid expression of Marxism, then you would find it hard to accept reports of the repression in that country. For one thing, the same journalists who called workers in this country greedy for demanding higher wages, and generally promoted right-wing propaganda, were claiming that the USSR was committing mass repression. Why would you believe their claims about the USSR when you knew that they lied about the organised working class everywhere else?
I can see why people might have been be tempted to question the attacks of 11 September 2001. Indeed, given that only a few years before those attacks US neo- conservatives in the Project for the New American Century wrote a document in which they said something along the lines that something like a new Pearl Harbour was needed to re-orientate US foreign policy, it is easy to see why the claim that 9/11 was an "inside job" appealed to some people.
What I cannot at all understand is why people would claim that the bus and tube bombs of 7 July 2005 in London were an "inside job". Those attacks were an embarrassment to Tony Blair. Many people said that if Blair had not supported the invasion of Iraq, then such events would not have occurred. What possible advantage would those attacks give to the government of the UK?
The claim that the Manchester Arena bombing did not happen is more stupid. At least the 7 July "truthers" were not actually denying that the bombs exploded, killing and injuring people.
If the state wished to gain an advantage of some kind from an apparent atrocity, it would be far easier to ensure that an atrocity was actually carried out, than to fake an atrocity.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yep…
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I know this bloke, always a wrong un with delusional thinking but he has surpassed himself this time.
Anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist who encouraged Chris Whitty attack found guilty
Patrick Ruane has been found guilty of terrorism offences after he suggested "whacking" the chief medical adviser.www.bbc.com
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
Covid denier who posted violent threats against Chris Whitty jailed for five years
Patrick Ruane had targeted individuals online including chief medical officer
Covid was surely the fault of the Chinese. Or so my E Asian friend was told on quite a few occasions when she was harassed in the street by various random fuckers.
Eta Oh and while she was working at a Covid vaccination centre too.
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