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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

From the John Bye x-twitter account :

John Bye: Conspiracy theorists ponder whether ''the global elite have .. a special antidote to shield themselves from COVID-19?''. Er.. it's called a vaccine.

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John Bye @_Johnbye
Conspiracy theorists ponder whether "the global elite have .. a special antidote to shield themselves from COVID-19?"
Er.. it's called a vaccine. -
They did "hand it over to the rest of humanity", but you all convinced yourselves they were trying to poison you with it.
9:10 AM · Jul 21, 2024

Screencapped x-tweet by Jim Ferguson:
Jim Ferguson @JimFergusonUK
Breaking Exclusive: SHOCKING. Dr. Chris Shoemaker presents a startling viewpoint: Could the global elite have secured access to a special antidote to shield themselves from COVID-19 and potential future pandemics like the H5N1 avian flu?
"they actually know what the antidote to this whole thing is....this thing that was scientifically created and has certain genetic aspects, where it attacks certain races and circumstances more than others"
Could they be forced to hand it over to the rest of Humanity?

Breaking Exclusive: SHOCKING. Dr. Chris Shoemaker presents a startling viewpoint: Could the global elite have secured access to a special antidote to shield themselves from COVID-19 and potential future pandemics like the H5N1 avian flu?

"they actually know what the antidote to this whole thing is....this thing that was scientifically created and has certain genetic aspects, where it attacks certain races and circumstances more than others"

Could they be forced to hand it over to the rest of Humanity?

HIV strands may have been deliberately introduced into the vaccines. "This was CRISPR...done in the laboratory on purpose by the people who were paid by Daszak"

"it just so happens that the order of the nucleoids as part of what is attached to the Corona Virus has a great deal of commonality...an unbelievable commonality with the order of the ribonucleic acids in HIV"

"don't take these jabs that were intended to harm us because they've got the worst versions of these CRISPR created human attacking and attaching genomes in them"

We see the WHO and Tedros as well as other Bill Gates funded organisations constantly speak about the possibility of H5N1 causing another lockdown and pandemic and have even said that H5N1 is in the milk supplies!

After the failure to assassinate President Trump will the globalists go to plan B and attempt to thwart a free and fair election in the United States!!

Could we see another pandemic declared and another lockdown enforced to effectively cause a repeat of the election in the United States where mail in ballots saw Biden get into the White House.

"there are people in their 20s and 30s suddenly getting Type 1 Diabetes....there are many people getting new onset Type 1 Diabetes"

"this is happening because their immune system has been hurt by the jab...the immune system has made you hyper responsive and hyper attacking your own tissues"

Ivermectin could be used to help prevent people succumbing to H5N1 Avian Influenza.

"the only thing that actually kills a virus..a respiratory virus getting into your system is something called T-Cell immunity"

"these jabs create T-Cell destruction"

Financial donations can be made to support the work of Dr Shoemaker here pleasetakeallmymoney @gmail.com

Its time to get ready and prepared.

Join freedomtraininternational which is the fastest growing International Freedom movement in the World and together we can get ready for whatever comes our way.

Don't be Scared. Be Prepared.

Jim Ferguson: "Businessman entrepreneur. Founder of Freedom Train International" which is "building a network of international Freedom Fighters in a New Resistance and freedom movement across many countries." Former Brexit Party candidate. Long-term covidiot.
 
Conspiracy theorists ponder whether "the global elite have .. a special antidote to shield themselves from COVID-19?"
Er.. it's called a vaccine. -
They did "hand it over to the rest of humanity", but you all convinced yourselves they were trying to poison you with it.
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Not even just applicable to vaccines. Vaccines dont confer 100% protection.

Health and wealth inequalities are strongly tied to covid outcomes and pandemic burden.

So when they go on about the virus attacking 'certain circumstances' and whether the elites could be forced to hand it over, actually they might, without any degree of awareness, really be pondering whether the rich should hand over all their wealth and security to the rascal multitude. Without fucking realising that this is where a sensible version of that idea actually points. And I doubt this chimes with their actual political and economic beliefs at all. But it made me laugh.
 
Well this is an interesting one, we spent time with a friend last night, this friend has always been a bit alternative which I quite liked and still often agree with, in many ways but it seems as though she and her housemate are fully behind the 'Vaccines cause lots of damage' viewpoint, both of them quoting Malhotra and her saying she'd happily vote for worm-in-brain Kennedy and his book on Big Pharma was thoroughly researched and fully cited. She'll happily sit through a three-hour podcast by John Campbell. It's all rather distressing,
 
izz said:
Listening to Campbell or Malhotra, and also Trump, just makes me go ... "Wha ? ". There's just no consistent contact with anything like my experience of reality.
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I'm always reminded of that radio programme, "The Long View", when I look at phenomena like this. It's tempting to assume that it's novel, and then cast around for societal novelties - social media, eg. - that might be responsible.

But "The Long View" approach (love the concept, delivery is a bit meh) would suggest that we look for examples in the past where similar things have happened - in this case, that significant swathes of the population suddenly become able to completely set their cognitive abilities aside in favour of some extreme narrative. It's definitely not new.

Then, I suppose, the question is "Did anything work last time, and what was it?"
 
existentialist said:
I'm always reminded of that radio programme, "The Long View", when I look at phenomena like this. It's tempting to assume that it's novel, and then cast around for societal novelties - social media, eg. - that might be responsible.

But "The Long View" approach (love the concept, delivery is a bit meh) would suggest that we look for examples in the past where similar things have happened - in this case, that significant swathes of the population suddenly become able to completely set their cognitive abilities aside in favour of some extreme narrative. It's definitely not new.

Then, I suppose, the question is "Did anything work last time, and what was it?"
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I suspect the answer would be "removal of the social tensions which led to people taking up these opinions in the first place" which while possibly true from a long view perspective is less use in the short view.
 
The local climate change denier group (previously covid denier group) were out in my town earlier, dishing out copies of 'The Light'. I didnt realise this was still being put out. When I refused a paper and mentioned that we needed to smash capitalism and redistribute wealth and not find rabbit holes to go down, I apparently 'needed to find the truth". Ugh.
 
stethoscope said:
The local climate change denier group (previously covid denier group) were out in my town earlier, dishing out copies of 'The Light'. I didnt realise this was still being put out. When I refused a paper and mentioned that we needed to smash capitalism and redistribute wealth and not find rabbit holes to go down, I apparently 'needed to find the truth". Ugh.
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I’ve never understood why the truth is hidden down rabbit holes, makes no sense to me. Surely a nice display cabinet would be more convenient.
 
stethoscope said:
The local climate change denier group (previously covid denier group) were out in my town earlier, dishing out copies of 'The Light'. I didnt realise this was still being put out. When I refused a paper and mentioned that we needed to smash capitalism and redistribute wealth and not find rabbit holes to go down, I apparently 'needed to find the truth". Ugh.
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Well, that's you told!
 
stethoscope said:
The local climate change denier group (previously covid denier group) were out in my town earlier…
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How does that work?

Did they come to a consensus that enough of them had had Covid for them to make an educated guess, then decide to go after climate change instead cos it was a bit parky?
 
I've just had some Covid loonspud on Facebook banging on about 'turbocancer', which was a new one on me:


Here's how the conversation went:

Loonspud: Only the zombified like you have not noticed the over 20% excess death in every single highly vaxed country. Or the death of fit and healthy children while playing their sport, or while sleeping in their bed. Those looooong synthetic rubbery clots of Fibro gel must be covering your eyes and blocking yr ears.

I responded with a link to a medical study disproving her claims and then she came back with this beauty:

Loonspud: hide yrself under a rock. And when u get the turbo cancer or whatever other Ill, good luck to you with the nhs sick care. I would not piss on you if you were on fire.
 
editor said:
I've just had some Covid loonspud on Facebook banging on about 'turbocancer', which was a new one on me:


Here's how the conversation went:

Loonspud: Only the zombified like you have not noticed the over 20% excess death in every single highly vaxed country. Or the death of fit and healthy children while playing their sport, or while sleeping in their bed. Those looooong synthetic rubbery clots of Fibro gel must be covering your eyes and blocking yr ears.

I responded with a link to a medical study disproving her claims and then she came back with this beauty:

Loonspud: hide yrself under a rock. And when u get the turbo cancer or whatever other Ill, good luck to you with the nhs sick care. I would not piss on you if you were on fire.
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Their charm offensive is going well, then. Though it looks as if they forgot the "charm" bit...
 
existentialist said:
I'm always reminded of that radio programme, "The Long View", when I look at phenomena like this. It's tempting to assume that it's novel, and then cast around for societal novelties - social media, eg. - that might be responsible.

But "The Long View" approach (love the concept, delivery is a bit meh) would suggest that we look for examples in the past where similar things have happened - in this case, that significant swathes of the population suddenly become able to completely set their cognitive abilities aside in favour of some extreme narrative. It's definitely not new.

Then, I suppose, the question is "Did anything work last time, and what was it?"
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Did "The Long View" happen to offer any examples in particular of similar things in the past? Because I feel like algorithmically-driven social media has allowed pseudoscientists and conspiracy theorists to find audiences and organise with like-minded people on a scale and depth that's unprecedented.

editor said:
I've just had some Covid loonspud on Facebook banging on about 'turbocancer', which was a new one on me:


Here's how the conversation went:

Loonspud: Only the zombified like you have not noticed the over 20% excess death in every single highly vaxed country. Or the death of fit and healthy children while playing their sport, or while sleeping in their bed. Those looooong synthetic rubbery clots of Fibro gel must be covering your eyes and blocking yr ears.

I responded with a link to a medical study disproving her claims and then she came back with this beauty:

Loonspud: hide yrself under a rock. And when u get the turbo cancer or whatever other Ill, good luck to you with the nhs sick care. I would not piss on you if you were on fire.
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These people are so fucking vicious. You'd think that they'd have sympathy for people who've fallen victim to a deliberate campaign to make them deathly ill. But no, what they actually want is an excuse to gloat over people dying for taking a vaccine.
 
editor said:
I've just had some Covid loonspud on Facebook banging on about 'turbocancer', which was a new one on me:


Here's how the conversation went:

Loonspud: Only the zombified like you have not noticed the over 20% excess death in every single highly vaxed country. Or the death of fit and healthy children while playing their sport, or while sleeping in their bed. Those looooong synthetic rubbery clots of Fibro gel must be covering your eyes and blocking yr ears.

I responded with a link to a medical study disproving her claims and then she came back with this beauty:

Loonspud: hide yrself under a rock. And when u get the turbo cancer or whatever other Ill, good luck to you with the nhs sick care. I would not piss on you if you were on fire.
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A loon on Facebook suggested that I must have been shitting myself because I had the vaccine (I must have set an earlier status to public for them to know). I told them that as a middle aged overweight cask beer drinker I wouldn't know if the shitting myself was getting any worse or not and unfollowed the thread.
 
i do take some perverse pleasure in the fact that whilst everyone else has very much moved on and on the whole forgotten about covid (who would even want to remember), these are still shouting and hollering at their own mind shadows.
 
would honestly spend £20 on a pay perview on some total egg head scientist who is an expert in disease be let loose on one of these in a "debate." "but, look, look what michael on facebook has linked to! and there's this, this from Julia on Tic Tok". just to see said egg head tilt his head.

i know as well as anyone that science shouldn't be valorised blindly, but i also knwo what humility looks like too. their total arrogance is a wonder to behold.
 
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