Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[two sheds]

True, true, and how dare they spin the line that we destroy our planet with our cars and high energy consumption?

 

[JimW]

True, true, and how dare they spin the line that we destroy our planet with our cars and high energy consumption?

Who are the real loons, eh?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Since March I lost quite a few friends to them. It seems so pointless trying to convince them otherwise that I've decided on a zero tolerance policy and end friendhips sharply once certain things are said.

I think unless you can get in there quite early on it is really hard.
The problem is that once they have invested a certain amount of belief in it, accepting that they were wrong becomes a massive psychological barrier which is hard to break as it has traumatic consequences.
Same as any cult indoctrination, a similar thing can be seen in people who have been victim a long term confidence trick.
The people cynicaly pushing this shit should be lined up against a wall.

 

[hegley]

"Research Agenda 21" well I searched for it and am not clicking any of the websites because it's clearly shite

I really can't understand what they've got against Agenda 21 unless it's just because they are anti-vaxxers? Wtf's wrong with these people?

 

[two sheds]

UN = New World Order Totalitarian Government?

 

[klang]

I think unless you can get in there quite early on it is really hard.
The problem is that once they have invested a certain amount of belief in it, accepting that they were wrong becomes a massive psychological barrier which is hard to break as it has traumatic consequences.
Same as any cult indoctrination, a similar thing can be seen in people who have been victim a long term confidence trick.
The people cynicaly pushing this shit should be lined up against a wall.

the people I know who got into this stuff know what they are doing though. They are intelligent and well read with interest in current affairs and politics. They are not victims or gullible but chose a nasty, hateful right wing direction.
Sure, the pushers should be held responsible, but so should the followers who accept anti semitism, racism, hate and holocaust denial as part of the cause.

 

[Marty1]

UN = New World Order Totalitarian Government?

Unified Nutters.

 

[StoneRoad]

Lining up against a wall ??? will no-one think of the poor bricks

there will still be plenty of lamp-posts and rope left after the btl landlords, dodgy lawyers and politicians ...

 

[Marty1]

the people I know who got into this stuff know what they are doing though. They are intelligent and well read with interest in current affairs and politics. They are not victims or gullible but chose a nasty, hateful right wing direction.
Sure, the pushers should be held responsible, but so should the followers who accept anti semitism, racism, hate and holocaust denial as part of the cause.

Wtf?!

Surely nobody ‘chooses nasty’.

I still believe the majorly of people are good - just mislead in this fucked up world

 

[klang]

Surely nobody ‘chooses nasty’.

ok then maybe they choose to ignore the nasty within the politics they are into.

mislead has a ring of sheeple about it so I don't like it as a term. it's patronising.

edit: actually no, I'll stand by what I said: They have chosen a nasty, hateful direction. I'm not gonna be apologetic for their horrible politics. Nasty nasty fuckers.

 

[Marty1]

ok then maybe they choose to ignore the nasty within the politics they are into.

mislead has a ring of sheeple about it so I don't like it as a term. it's patronising.

The problem is they’ve banned all this stuff off major platforms for good reason but without much afterthought.

Banning this stuff ingrains the belief in this stuff further in a kind of - see, we told you they’d ban us cos it’s all true - type stuff.

Suppose it reduces new recruits tho.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Was in Guildford earlier and two divs had a trestle table out and hi-viz jackets on, written on the back of which was COVID = HOAX. BB2 asked why they had that written on their vests and I replied loudly enough for them to hear that either a hoax killed nanny's next-door neighbour or these two people are morons. The sassy little madam, straight off the bat replies, "I think we all know which one it is."

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

the people I know who got into this stuff know what they are doing though. They are intelligent and well read with interest in current affairs and politics. They are not victims or gullible but chose a nasty, hateful right wing direction.
Sure, the pushers should be held responsible, but so should the followers who accept anti semitism, racism, hate and holocaust denial as part of the cause.

I think there are a lot of vulnerable people trying to hold to some sense of order in there as they can't accept that life is basically a chaotic whirlwind.

 

[klang]

The problem is they’ve banned all this stuff off major platforms for good reason but without much afterthought.

Banning this stuff ingrains the belief in this stuff further in a kind of - see, we told you they’d ban us cos it’s all true - type stuff.

Suppose it reduces new recruits tho.

I didn't say anything about banning stuff. I talked about mates turning into vile CT racists.
Also, I edited my above post.

 

[klang]

I think there are a lot of vulnerable people trying to hold to some sense of order in there as they can't accept that life is basically a chaotic whirlwind.

yes. but to some there is also a fashion or hip-ness or trendy element to it. not everybody who gets into CTs is confused and lost. some just follow a trend.

 

[frogwoman]

Well a lot of them just hate Jews lets be honest.

 

[Marty1]

I think there are a lot of vulnerable people trying to hold to some sense of order in there as they can't accept that life is basically a chaotic whirlwind.

I think that the more people lose their jobs, their businesses, their houses - lives destroyed through Covid restrictions then the potential for more people warming to CT groups and/or aspects of their various messaging.

 

[existentialist]

Well a lot of them just hate Jews lets be honest.

I wonder if it's just convenience - there's such a history of pre-packaged anti-Jewishness that it's too tempting a building block not to incorporate into their paranoid conspiracy theories.

 

[existentialist]

I think that the more people lose their jobs, their businesses, their houses - lives destroyed through Covid restrictions then the potential for more people warming to CT groups and/or aspects of their various messaging.

Just to be clear - these lives are not being "destroyed through Covid restrictions", but by Government complacency and inaction in supporting people whose jobs and lives are affected by them.

But then I suspect that this distinction isn't lost on you, and your claim was quite deliberately made - it fits too well with your modus operandi, as evidenced by pretty much your entire posting history here: you do not have clean hands.

 

[frogwoman]

Anyway parts of Russia now seems to be explicitly following 'herd immunity' policies - punitive lockdown for over 65s and bars and restaurants open with a few token restrictions, masks (not really being enforced) etc. Unsurprisingly deaths are going through the roof. If 60% of the catch it that is approaching 1 million fatalities. I'm quite upset about it tbh.

 

[frogwoman]

Nah I hear this a lot from people round here too. Not the anti vaxxer stuff but stuff about how the restrictions are destroying people's lives and so on.

 

[frogwoman]

I wonder if it's just convenience - there's such a history of pre-packaged anti-Jewishness that it's too tempting a building block not to incorporate into their paranoid conspiracy theories.

The other way round I think. The likes of Icke have already made a career out of antisemitism.

 

[Marty1]

Nah I hear this a lot from people round here too. Not the anti vaxxer stuff but stuff about how the restrictions are destroying people's lives and so on.

Also finding people who have been following the Covid restrictions stringently are now starting to slightly rebel against it.

An example of this is one of my gf’s best friends - she lives on the same estate as us and comes over to ours for a coffee in the back garden with the gf for half an hour or so. Says staying clamped up in the house all day is sending her barmy and can only walk the dogs so many times a day and needs a break/chat to keep her sane.

 

[8ball]

Also finding people who have been following the Covid restrictions stringently are now starting to slightly rebel against it.

An example of this is one of my gf’s best friends - she lives on the same estate as us and comes over to ours for a coffee in the back garden with the gf for half an hour or so. Says staying clamped up in the house all day is sending her barmy and can only walk the dogs so many times a day and needs a break/chat to keep her sane.

I might have been trying too hard to ignore the multi-levelled drivel from the Government, but isn't a coffee in the back garden between two people allowed pretty much everywhere (I'm a little foggy on the uppermost 'tier' tbf).

 

[frogwoman]

That's what I thought too.

 

[8ball]

That's what I thought too.

Cheers - would be entirely plausible that I was totally wrong here - I find it too depressing to check up on this more than once or twice a week.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I might have been trying too hard to ignore the multi-levelled drivel from the Government, but isn't a coffee in the back garden between two people allowed pretty much everywhere (I'm a little foggy on the uppermost 'tier' tbf).

Not in a private garden, this is the highest level rules on mixing.

At a minimum, this means:

• you must not socialise with anybody you do not live with or have formed a support bubble with, in any indoor setting or in any private garden or at most outdoor hospitality venues and ticketed events
• you must not socialise in a group of more than 6 in an outdoor public space such as a park or beach, the countryside, a public garden or a sports venue

 

[8ball]

Not in a private garden, this is the highest level rules on mixing.

Thanks.

Just to be clear, which level is that, and do you have a nice easy link showing where it applies?
(I'm wondering whether I broke a rule last week, based on that)

 

[LDC]

Thanks.

Just to be clear, which level is that, and do you have a nice easy link showing where it applies?
(I'm wondering whether I broke a rule last week, based on that)

Tier 3. There's a postcode search for what Tier areas are in somewhere, think it's been posted on here as well.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Thanks.

Just to be clear, which level is that, and do you have a nice easy link showing where it applies?
(I'm wondering whether I broke a rule last week, based on that)

Tier 3, very high risk, so far that's just the Merseyside region & Lancastershire, I've only got the link to details of the different tier restrictions.

Coronavirus: how to stay safe and help prevent the spread

Find out how to stay safe and help prevent the spread of coronavirus.

www.gov.uk

ETA - They have updated that page to include a link to the postcode checker:

Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19

Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).

www.gov.uk