Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[gentlegreen]

however they were some years ago impressed with homeopathy, perhaps there is no hope for them!

yebbut vaccination is very nearly homeopathy that works !

 

[gentlegreen]

"I trust my immune system" yeah I trust mine to, I trust it to not handle highly infectious disease which is why I don't gargle ebola victims blood and take antibiotics when I've got a serious infection.

And in my understanding what actually makes you feel shit when your body is fighting off a novel infection is your immune system and "cytokine storm" is a thing.

 

[gentlegreen]

One thing that has struck me - and Paltalk is the supreme example...
These people WALLOW in this shit, many of them just copy and paste what they think are damning headlines without actually reading the item or watching the video -

Notably it's the same tired shit over and over again.
On Paltalk nearly two years on they're still dragging out really OLD insane crap - like the "PCR machines are unfit for purpose" - plus the Malone "inventor of MRNA technology" bollocks.

Whereas even those of us who have taken a semi-serious interest in the subject actually have other interests - though in my case I have found ways to make it a way into getting a better grasp of biology and the scientific method ...

 

[two sheds]

These people WALLOW in this shit, many of them just copy and paste what they think are damning headlines without actually reading the item or watching the video -

 

[Sue]

It sounds exhausting, gentlegreen.

 

[weltweit]

yebbut vaccination is very nearly homeopathy that works !

I want some active ingredient in my Jabs !!

 

[two sheds]

you get active ingredient in homeopathy - possibly as much as in vaccines

 

[gentlegreen]

It sounds exhausting, gentlegreen.

I only dip in and out of the crazy places and use the iggy facility a lot- it's just that when I do have a peek, it's the same people pasting the same shit ...
Paltalk is a freak show anyway - whether the topic is covid, politics or religion.

I find myself exploring the psycho-social aspects of it - trying to cut through to understand their motivations - many of them are non-starters, but as with this morning's "client" I think there's something there worth exploring ...

 

[weltweit]

you get active ingredient in homeopathy - possibly as much as in vaccines

No you don't, they dilute the fuck out of it repeatedly until there is nothing there, then they tell you how potent it is and extract money from you for water.

 

[two sheds]

they dilute the fuck out of it repeatedly until there is nothing there

there's a logical fallacy there

I'd bet at very least there are still millions of particles of the 'active ingredient' left when they've done all the diluting.

 

[weltweit]

there's a logical fallacy there

I'd bet at very least there are still millions of particles of the 'active ingredient' left when they've done all the diluting.

Homeopathic dilutions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The concept is pseudoscience because, at commonly used dilutions, no molecules of the original material are likely to remain.[2]

 

[two sheds]

well if you're going to use wiki as a scientific reference

 

[two sheds]

"A 2C dilution requires a substance to be diluted to one part in one hundred, and then some of that diluted solution diluted by a further factor of one hundred. This works out to one part of the original substance in 10,000 parts of the solution."

Not sure where wiki gets its statement there are no molecules left because 1 cc of water (for example) contains 10**23/3 molecules.

 

[8ball]

"Born Free We'll Die Free"

That’s fine with me. Just die free in a field and don’t clog up the fucking hospital.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

"A 2C dilution requires a substance to be diluted to one part in one hundred, and then some of that diluted solution diluted by a further factor of one hundred. This works out to one part of the original substance in 10,000 parts of the solution."

Not sure where wiki gets its statement there are no molecules left because 1 cc of water (for example) contains 10**23/3 molecules.

Homeopaths will tend to claim the more diluted something is, the stronger it gets, and will often sell 30C dilutions or even more. Do the maths…

 

[Badgers]

Anti-vaccine protesters try to serve papers on Alan Shearer but get wrong house

The former footballer angered them by urging people to protect themselves by having the booster in a recent video.

www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Fucking idiots

 

[two sheds]

Homeopaths will tend to claim the more diluted something is, the stronger it gets, and will often sell 30C dilutions or even more. Do the maths…

Yes I read that but it didn't support what I was saying so I ignored it.

I don't think we should be taking the ravings of the non-scientific fringe elements of homeopathy as representative of the science itself - a bit like taking the word of astrologists instead of astronomers.

I think I read that there are around 10**11 'virus' particles in a vaccine. QED.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Yes I read that but it didn't support what I was saying so I ignored it.

I don't think we should be taking the ravings of the non-scientific fringe elements of homeopathy as representative of the science itself - a bit like taking the word of astrologists instead of astronomers.

I think I read that there are around 10**11 'virus' particles in a vaccine. QED.

There is no science in homeopathy. It’s complete bullshit.

 

[two sheds]

you'll be saying that phrenology has no scientific basis next

 

[krtek a houby]

you'll be saying that phrenology has no scientific basis next

It's true, dammit. Just get that into your head, once and for all.

 

[two sheds]

I have a 1940s? booklet on phrenology which categorically states that it's a scientific study.

Disprove that

 

[krtek a houby]

It's true, dammit. Just get that into your head, once and for all.

Don't be sad, two sheds Confused it with trepanning!

 

[existentialist]

It's true, dammit. Just get that into your head, once and for all.

I always liked Pratchett's notion of "reverse phrenology". The perfect send up of idiot pseudoscience.

 

[two sheds]

Never read Pratchett - was that an idea that hitting someone on the head hard would change their personality? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[krtek a houby]

I always liked Pratchett's notion of "reverse phrenology". The perfect send up of idiot pseudoscience.

Had to look that up. Brilliant!

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Homeopaths will tend to claim the more diluted something is, the stronger it gets, and will often sell 30C dilutions or even more. Do the maths…

ALso, you can just write the homeopathic remedy on a piece of paper, sit a glass of water on it and it will work just the same when you drink it.

 

[two sheds]

Well indeed, as I've been ridiculed before for saying, the placebo effect does exist and I'm sure covers reactions to homeopathy.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well indeed, as I've been ridiculed before for saying, the placebo effect does exist and I'm sure covers reactions to homeopathy.

Indeed. Which isn’t an argument for homeopathy.

 

[two sheds]

well it is, it's an argument generally for treatments that bring improvements

 

[WouldBe]

I always liked Pratchett's notion of "reverse phrenology". The perfect send up of idiot pseudoscience.

Is that reading dents instead of bumps?