Did Rumsfield and Chums want and allow 9/11 to happen? The Poll!

[bigfish]

808 adults?!!!!

Wow. There's a big, meaningful sample to project on to a population of 294 million.

I suggest you read this: http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

The Zogby poll has a sampling error margin of +/-3.5. The NY poll result is also pretty close to the option one figure of 45% in this thread poll despite the unwanted addition of the cuckoo option, option 4.

If you believe Zogby's error margin claim is false, or in someway inaccurate, then can you please back it up with hard evidence.

In Canada the numbers are even higher.

On May 26th the Toronto Star reported a national poll showing that 63% of Canadians are also convinced US leaders had 'prior knowledge' of the attacks yet declined to act. There was no US coverage of this startling poll or the facts supporting the Canadians' conclusions

 

[fela fan]

What's your point Dr J. That Mike shouldn't vigorously defend the credibility of his site from an assault of your often poorly sourced and objectionable claims.

Yeah, well editor could be excused for doing that.

But who are you, and why are you so anxious to back him up? This should be about debate, not personalities. Sort yourself out lad.

DrJ posts up his opinions, if you don't like them, then tell the forum why, instead of sniping from the sidelines.

Poodle.

 

[editor]

Using their calculator shows that a sample of 808 adults gives confidence intervals of less than four percent with a confidence interval of 95%. It's quite a reasonable sample, similar to the ones for election polling in the UK.
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So how many people do you think agree with your fruit'n'nut fantasies about missile firing pretend planes, Mike Yarwood Squadrons, Operation Pretend You're Going To Die, imploding towers etc etc 9/11, DrJ?

Many people - myself included - believe that the USG seriously under estimated the threat of 9/11 and failed to act on the intelligence presented.

But no sane person is going to believe your bonkers scenarios of Mike Yarwoods, remote control planes and al the other evidence untroubled guff you post up here with depressing regularity.

 

[Citizen66]

On the other hand Mike's spent years building up this site - I can fully understand why he feels motivated and compelled enough to defend his site from such nonsense.

In the Albert together last night were we?

 

[fela fan]

The Zogby poll has a sampling error margin of +/-3.5. The NY poll result is also pretty close to the option one figure of 45% in this thread poll despite the unwanted addition of the cuckoo option, option 4.

If you believe Zogby's error margin claim is false, or in someway inaccurate, then can you please back it up with hard evidence.

In Canada the numbers are even higher.

I think you're asking editor to go down a path that is too full of fear bigfish.

But this is indeed interesting stuff. That so many americans and canadiens are now smelling a big porkie.

Slowly but surely folk are coming round to the fact that the official US version is almost impossible to swallow.

When will editor concur??

 

[editor]

In the Albert together last night were we?

No, we weren't actually. I haven't seen the fella for some time.

But thanks for yet another useless, pointless waste-of-space 'contribution'.

Grow up.

 

[fela fan]

In the Albert together last night were we?

These people are amazing aren't they!!

And they don't even know what they're doing.

 

[Citizen66]

These people are amazing aren't they!!

And they don't even know what they're doing.

That sounds a bit patronising to me, like!

 

[editor]

I think you're asking editor to go down a path that is too full of fear bigfish.

Right. That's it.

I will not have clueless, patronising, hippy-dippy dreamers posting up insulting personal bullshit about me being 'too fearful' for their crap.

I've had DrJ insulting me. I've had fela insulting me and now Citizen is currently posting up his usual trouble making lies.

I've had enough of this crap. Go play on your own boards because I'm fed up with providing a handful of obsessed conspiracy fruitcakes an audience that their ludicrous, fact free fantasies haven't earned.

 

[editor]

These people are amazing aren't they!!

And they don't even know what they're doing.

More insults eh fela?

Why don't you just fuck off?

 

[Jazzz]

So how many people do you think agree with your fruit'n'nut fantasies about missile firing pretend planes, Mike Yarwood Squadrons, Operation Pretend You're Going To Die, imploding towers etc etc 9/11, DrJ?

Many people - myself included - believe that the USG seriously under estimated the threat of 9/11 and failed to act on the intelligence presented.

But no sane person is going to believe your bonkers scenarios of Mike Yarwoods, remote control planes and al the other evidence untroubled guff you post up here with depressing regularity.

So I see you have given up trying to prove that cellphone calls are possible from fast-moving aircraft, or that 808 is too small a sample to be statistically meaningful. Face it - your debating has been shown to quite lame, consisting of nothing more than shouty rhetoric. When you occasional have a go trying to make a point, you invariably fail flat on your face (as with your various links, which have gone against you) and go back to the shouting. When you get really stuck, you will start mentioning Huntley or threaten to bin the thread!

And this is increasingly recognized by other posters, I fancy. When the first 9-11 threads started you had a whole pack with you. Where are they going?

 

[Citizen66]

There really isn't any need to be so sensitive about light hearted jibes, Editor

 

[tarannau]

DrJ posts up his opinions, if you don't like them, then tell the forum why, instead of sniping from the sidelines.
Poodle.

I've queried Dr J's opinions many a time, asked direct questions on at least 6 occasions. He's never had the courtesy to answer. It's not a case of sniping from the sidelines - there is no alternative.

 

[editor]

There really isn't any need to be so sensitive about light hearted jibes, Editor

I don't need a lecture from you, Mr Floppo Tumbleweed Boards.

 

[editor]

When the first 9-11 threads started you had a whole pack with you. Where are they going?

Ask them. They've all been bored shitless by your fact free fantasies and your refusal to argue like a grown up.

Your conduct on the "Huntley is innocent!!!" thread was a fine example.

You've got problem with the way I run and interact with these boards? Then go fuck off and start your own.

I've had enough of your insults and bullshit.

 

[fela fan]

More insults eh fela?

Why don't you just fuck off?

Okay, no problem, i'll do just that. Look, i'm gone.

[Not that i was insulting anyone. And even if i was, it'd only be because they deserved it.]

 

[editor]

Okay, no problem, i'll do just that. Look, i'm gone.

Good.

Goodbye.

 

[Citizen66]

I don't need a lecture from you, Mr Floppo Tumbleweed Boards.

It wasn't a lecture. It was a polite gesture, Mister successful megalomaniac brain.

 

[Jazzz]

I've queried Dr J's opinions many a time, asked direct questions on at least 6 occasions. He's never had the courtesy to answer. It's not a case of sniping from the sidelines - there is no alternative.

When I hear someone other than editor using phrases like 'conspiracy-tastic' or 'evidence-lite' it becomes pretty clear that discussion is not going to serve any useful purpose. Attempting to discuss things with editor is bad enough, but there's no point trying to reason with his parrots. Sorry mate, come back as yourself and we might talk.

 

[editor]

So I see you have given up trying to prove that cellphone calls are possible from fast-moving aircraft

Of course they are. They use the inflight phones provided on the airplane. Simple.

 

[editor]

Attempting to discuss things with editor is bad enough, but there's no point trying to reason with his parrots. Sorry mate, come back as yourself and we might talk.

Your hypocrisy astounds me.

The reason why people have given up on these threads is because you are a devious, dishonest conspiracy obsessive who constantly throws up fact free fantasies, refuses to engage in them and when people bother to trash your idiotic arguments, you refuse to acknowledge your error and then move on to the next piece of shit you've found on the Internet.

Your latest piece of laughable fiction about the USG getting all the passengers to sit in a room, ring up their loved ones and pretend that they're about to be killed by non existent terrorists before being slaughtered by USG agents is about as ludicrous as it gets.

 

[Citizen66]

Of course they are. They use the inflight phones provided on the airplane. Simple.

The 'official version' says the calls were made from cellphones and there's no evidence that inflight calls were available on the flight in question...

 

[Jazzz]

Ask them. They've all been bored shitless by your fact free fantasies and your refusal to argue like a grown up.

Your conduct on the "Huntley is innocent!!!" thread was a fine example.

You've got problem with the way I run and interact with these boards? Then go fuck off and start your own.

I've had enough of your insults and bullshit.

Ah, you mentioned Huntley, just as I predicted

And here you disengeniously try to associate your running of the boards with your posts as a poster. Not the same at all. It's perfectly right to treat your posts as that of any other poster - why must you get special treatment? I'm sorry but the argument 'I am right because I run things around here, and if you don't like it fuck off' is extremely weak.

If I think you are posting badly, I will say so - that doesn't mean I'm telling you 'how to run the boards'. Understand?

 

[editor]

The 'official version' says the calls were made from cellphones and there's no evidence that inflight calls were available on the flight in question...

http://slate.msn.com/id/1008297/

Cell phones work on airplanes? Why does the FAA discourage their use?
What's the maximum altitude at which a cell phone will work?

From this morning's New York Times: "According to industry experts, it
is possible to use cell phones with varying success during the ascent
and descent of commercial airline flights, although the difficulty of
maintaining a signal appears to increase as planes gain altitude. Some
older phones, which have stronger transmitters and operate on analog
networks, can be used at a maximum altitude of 10 miles, while phones
on newer digital systems can work at altitudes of 5 to 6 miles. A
typical airline cruising altitude would be 35,000 feet, or about 6.6
miles."

Seeing as this has been discussed about a billion times before and you seem more interested in posting up 'light hearted jibes', the time for this thread to come to a close isvery near.

Moeoever fela and DrJ's conduct has hastened its demise. Be sure to invite them on to your boards if they wish to continue repeating themselves.

 

[fela fan]

Sorry mate, come back as yourself and we might talk.

 

[editor]

And here you disengeniously try to associate your running of the boards with your posts as a poster. Not the same at all. It's perfectly right to treat your posts as that of any other poster - why must you get special treatment? I'm sorry but the argument 'I am right because I run things around here, and if you don't like it fuck off' is extremely weak.

And if I - as the guy that runs this boards for your benefit - has had enough of you abusing the boards by relentlessly posting up the same evidence free claims for months on end and causing disruption by refusing to engage with people questioning your ludicous fantasies, then I'm at total liberty to dump those threads.

Understand?

 

[editor]

I thought you'd gone, or are you going to try and throw around some more mindless personal insults?

 

[fela fan]

Seeing as this has been discussed about a billion times before and you seem more interested in posting up 'light hearted jibes', the time for this thread to come to a close isvery near.

Moeoever fela and DrJ's conduct has hastened its demise. Be sure to invite them on to your boards if they wish to continue repeating themselves.

What's wrong with my 'conduct'? Why's it always my fault? That can't be right. What did i do wrong?

I'd be really disappointed if it got binned.

 

[fela fan]

I thought you'd gone, or are you going to try and throw around some more mindless personal insults?

I was laughing, not doing any insults. The country i live in does a lot of laughing.

But i'm definitely hitting the sack now. Enjoy the rest of the day everyone.

 

[editor]

What's wrong with my 'conduct'? Why's it always my fault? That can't be right. What did i do wrong?

Keep on throwing around your moronic insults about me being too cowardly to face 'the truth' and it won't just be the thread that gets binned, 'mate'.

And why do you lie?

Okay, no problem, i'll do just that. Look, i'm gone.