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I can’t bring myself to watch it tbh. I will at some point, just not right now, got to stay in a positive mindset at the moment and doing good so far with new driving agency, good bunch and way more professional than my other firm, plus better routes (Teeside).
Yeah, it's certainly not the most fun watch, can imagine it'd only be worse if you're in a similar position yourself. Would be interested in your perspective, though; read a couple of reviews from drivers, one said "this is basically a documentary".

It's even set in the north-east, too.

As I've said elsewhere, I don't use Amazon any more, but certainly get my fair share of deliveries, though thankfully (?) most of it comes via RM. Did make me question things, though: started thinking "I should buy less stuff online" so not to support the system, but then realised that drivers need the money that comes with each delivery.

Shite.
 
Yeah, it's certainly not the most fun watch, can imagine it'd only be worse if you're in a similar position yourself. Would be interested in your perspective, though; read a couple of reviews from drivers, one said "this is basically a documentary".

It's even set in the north-east, too.

As I've said elsewhere, I don't use Amazon any more, but certainly get my fair share of deliveries, though thankfully (?) most of it comes via RM. Did make me question things, though: started thinking "I should buy less stuff online" so not to support the system, but then realised that drivers need the money that comes with each delivery.

Shite.

The film is based on the true life story of a DPD driver who died after missing hospital appointments - DPD used to fine drivers £150 per day they were off work due to sickness etc if they couldn’t arrange cover themselves - that is the biggest difference between Amazon, Yodel, DHL etc drivers than DPD who were the only delivery firm (afaik) to impose those ridiculous daily fines.

Ive mentioned back in this thread that I turned down working at DPD for this very reason.

I don’t think DPD fine drivers now after this tragedy but I’d guess there are many other elements within this film that are generic amongst all delivery driving jobs.

But yeah, the gig economy in general, not just delivery drivers need a total rehaul.
 
And UPS slamdunk their way in with an excellent bureaucracy/ineptitude/inflexibility combo. I ordered a fake Christmas tree from Wayfair...

First, the email from the supplier - "You're item is coming tomorrow (10th)!", then a notification from their delivery partner, UPS, to tell me the item will arrive on the 10th, and inviting me to redirect it to a neighbour or a "UPS Delivery Point". Unable to sleep at 0400 that morning (nothing to do with the item arriving), and working in Pembroke the next day, I use the UPS website to change my delivery to the UPS Delivery Point in Pembroke.

My work finishes sooner than expected, and I check the delivery update. It's still due for "before end of day" on 10th, at the Delivery Point. I dither around for a couple of hours, regularly checking the status, which does not change. Eventually, I can dither no longer, and decide to head home, popping into the Delivery Point on the way.

Where I am assured that UPS have already made their drop for that day (I check my delivery status, it's still saying "by end of day today" :rolleyes:), and leave, somewhat irritated, and working out how best to arrange things to collect the parcel.

As I am driving home, an update pings in - all of a sudden, and with no explanation, my due delivery date is now "by end of day" on the 11th. Fucking marvellous. But it's a bit of a moot point, as I am in Haverfordwest on the 11th, and since there appears to be no way to update the delivery target, it looks like I'm stuck with it turning up at Pembroke. Ah well, I can wait a day; I'm back in Pembroke on Thursday, albeit with little time to grab parcels, but I'll manage it somehow, and make a note to keep my "Government Photo ID" handy for collection, WTF?

Wednesday dawns, and I commence my peregrinations, up the coast towards St Davids, and back down again to Haverfordwest. As I arrive in Haverfordwest, another email from UPS pings in - this one's a "Delivery Exception Report", and says that a) they've made a failed delivery to my home address, and b) that the package cannot be delivered to a Delivery Point, no explanation given. I am, by now, beginning to become quite irritated - I've had about 15 emails from UPS, none of them conveying any accurate or meaningful information, and (I note) with no way of actually getting back in touch with them other than via an "automated assistant" which just keeps telling me irrelevant nonsense.

I arrive back home to find, sure enough, a "we tried to deliver" docket in the (unused and locked - I only access it by forcing it open with a screwdriver) mailbox by my front door, which hardly anybody uses. Which informs me that they will endeavour to make delivery on the next business day. During which I shall be in Pembroke. Their third (and, I believe, final) attempt will take place on Friday...when I shall be in Pembroke, Haverfordwest, and Narberth.

By dint of battling through the UPS website, I found some kind of complaint/advice form, and began to fill it in.

Now, I admit, my patience and tolerance of UPS were starting to run a bit short by this time, so maybe I was a) somewhat less tolerant than my usual easy-going self, and b) a little prolix in my description of their cock-ups to date (which, TBF, did require quite a bit of verbiage to describe), but I was particularly enraged when I found that the little box they provide in which to enter details of the complaint only takes 1,000 characters. By which time I'd got to about the third delivery update. They got a somewhat pithier version. Though not as pithy as their (promised within 24 hours) response, which is pithy to the point of non-existence. And, of course, there's no proper email address on which to contact them.
So it's just a question of whether I wait for UPS to return the parcel to Wayfair as undeliverable, or whether I spike their guns by completing returns paperwork for Wayfair, but not actually returning the item on the basis that I haven't actually received it yet.

I can understand the tribulations of operating a delivery operation, but UPS seem to have pulled off the double of producing a monstrously cumbersome and bureaucratic system, which DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK :mad:.

I shall be sure to let Wayfair know that, all the time they're using UPS as their delivery partner, I shan't be ordering stuff from them again - they could be the best firm in the world, selling the best goods for the cheapest price, but if I can't actually get my hands on the bloody stuff...

Meanwhile, on a recommendation, I went to Tesco. Where I found a perfectly reasonable, if slightly less posh, fake Christmas tree reduced by 50% from its original £50 selling price. And then reduced by a further 50%. So I have a Christmas tree, for £12.50. Sorry Wayfair, you lost this one.
 
And UPS slamdunk their way in with an excellent bureaucracy/ineptitude/inflexibility combo. I ordered a fake Christmas tree from Wayfair...
This is not the only thing I've heard about UPS recently, apart from my experience of them messing up three parcels for me in the last couple of weeks (as above). They now seem to have a complete disconnect between their web system and where anyone actually tries to deliver anything. You do what the fuck you like on the website (once you find out how it works) but it doesn't seem to filter down to anyone delivering the actual parcels, which go to some random choice between the target address and an Access Point kind of near you maybe.

Previously they have been reliable if hard to deal with - at least if you managed to make a change you could be sure that they would send it to that address. But now it's meaningless. I will be avoiding them personally in future. It's now come to the point where I have to ask who packages are being sent with before placing an order.
 
And UPS slamdunk their way in with an excellent bureaucracy/ineptitude/inflexibility combo. I ordered a fake Christmas tree from Wayfair...

First, the email from the supplier - "You're item is coming tomorrow (10th)!", then a notification from their delivery partner, UPS, to tell me the item will arrive on the 10th, and inviting me to redirect it to a neighbour or a "UPS Delivery Point". Unable to sleep at 0400 that morning (nothing to do with the item arriving), and working in Pembroke the next day, I use the UPS website to change my delivery to the UPS Delivery Point in Pembroke.

My work finishes sooner than expected, and I check the delivery update. It's still due for "before end of day" on 10th, at the Delivery Point. I dither around for a couple of hours, regularly checking the status, which does not change. Eventually, I can dither no longer, and decide to head home, popping into the Delivery Point on the way.

Where I am assured that UPS have already made their drop for that day (I check my delivery status, it's still saying "by end of day today" :rolleyes:), and leave, somewhat irritated, and working out how best to arrange things to collect the parcel.

As I am driving home, an update pings in - all of a sudden, and with no explanation, my due delivery date is now "by end of day" on the 11th. Fucking marvellous. But it's a bit of a moot point, as I am in Haverfordwest on the 11th, and since there appears to be no way to update the delivery target, it looks like I'm stuck with it turning up at Pembroke. Ah well, I can wait a day; I'm back in Pembroke on Thursday, albeit with little time to grab parcels, but I'll manage it somehow, and make a note to keep my "Government Photo ID" handy for collection, WTF?

Wednesday dawns, and I commence my peregrinations, up the coast towards St Davids, and back down again to Haverfordwest. As I arrive in Haverfordwest, another email from UPS pings in - this one's a "Delivery Exception Report", and says that a) they've made a failed delivery to my home address, and b) that the package cannot be delivered to a Delivery Point, no explanation given. I am, by now, beginning to become quite irritated - I've had about 15 emails from UPS, none of them conveying any accurate or meaningful information, and (I note) with no way of actually getting back in touch with them other than via an "automated assistant" which just keeps telling me irrelevant nonsense.

I arrive back home to find, sure enough, a "we tried to deliver" docket in the (unused and locked - I only access it by forcing it open with a screwdriver) mailbox by my front door, which hardly anybody uses. Which informs me that they will endeavour to make delivery on the next business day. During which I shall be in Pembroke. Their third (and, I believe, final) attempt will take place on Friday...when I shall be in Pembroke, Haverfordwest, and Narberth.

By dint of battling through the UPS website, I found some kind of complaint/advice form, and began to fill it in.

Now, I admit, my patience and tolerance of UPS were starting to run a bit short by this time, so maybe I was a) somewhat less tolerant than my usual easy-going self, and b) a little prolix in my description of their cock-ups to date (which, TBF, did require quite a bit of verbiage to describe), but I was particularly enraged when I found that the little box they provide in which to enter details of the complaint only takes 1,000 characters. By which time I'd got to about the third delivery update. They got a somewhat pithier version. Though not as pithy as their (promised within 24 hours) response, which is pithy to the point of non-existence. And, of course, there's no proper email address on which to contact them.
So it's just a question of whether I wait for UPS to return the parcel to Wayfair as undeliverable, or whether I spike their guns by completing returns paperwork for Wayfair, but not actually returning the item on the basis that I haven't actually received it yet.

I can understand the tribulations of operating a delivery operation, but UPS seem to have pulled off the double of producing a monstrously cumbersome and bureaucratic system, which DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK :mad:.

I shall be sure to let Wayfair know that, all the time they're using UPS as their delivery partner, I shan't be ordering stuff from them again - they could be the best firm in the world, selling the best goods for the cheapest price, but if I can't actually get my hands on the bloody stuff...

Meanwhile, on a recommendation, I went to Tesco. Where I found a perfectly reasonable, if slightly less posh, fake Christmas tree reduced by 50% from its original £50 selling price. And then reduced by a further 50%. So I have a Christmas tree, for £12.50. Sorry Wayfair, you lost this one.

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It's a bit worrying tbh given that UPS is a big company, this is literally what they do, it used to work, and now it just... doesn't. If a delivery company's internal logistics systems aren't in sync, if drivers are getting different information to the data the website and the notification systems are working from, well, what's the point of them?
 
Standing joke in the workshop is the normal speed of delivery from one supplier of consumables (such things as abrasives etc).
If we see their rep before 15:00 then the order often arrives the following morning before 10:00. What's more important is that it is usually correct.
The stuff arrives via various couriers, usually DPD & UPS.
 
It's a bit worrying tbh given that UPS is a big company, this is literally what they do, it used to work, and now it just... doesn't. If a delivery company's internal logistics systems aren't in sync, if drivers are getting different information to the data the website and the notification systems are working from, well, what's the point of them?

Yeah, DPD seem to be the same, I tried to redirect a parcel to my parents address via their site and it’s seemed to lag by 24hrs before it updated the info through to the delivery driver.
 
Yeah, DPD seem to be the same, I tried to redirect a parcel to my parents address via their site and it’s seemed to lag by 24hrs before it updated the info through to the delivery driver.

Seems a pretty blatant way of deterring re-directs.
 
It's a bit worrying tbh given that UPS is a big company, this is literally what they do, it used to work, and now it just... doesn't. If a delivery company's internal logistics systems aren't in sync, if drivers are getting different information to the data the website and the notification systems are working from, well, what's the point of them?
I think it's this that grates on me the most - I'd almost prefer a company that provided no information than one that provides inaccurate information.
 
Seems a pretty blatant way of deterring re-directs.

Just seems pointless for any delivery company to offer a re-direct service if it doesn’t actually follow through but just cause customer frustration.

One probably unknown service that Amazon offer is what’s know to us drivers as a customer ‘escalation’ - basically if the customer wasn’t home at time of delivery and it couldn’t be left with a neighbour etc, customer can contact Amazon and get driver to drop everything and go immediately to the escalated address to make delivery.

Don’t tell anyone though ;)
 
Just seems pointless for any delivery company to offer a re-direct service if it doesn’t actually follow through but just cause customer frustration.

One probably unknown service that Amazon offer is what’s know to us drivers as a customer ‘escalation’ - basically if the customer wasn’t home at time of delivery and it couldn’t be left with a neighbour etc, customer can contact Amazon and get driver to drop everything and go immediately to the escalated address to make delivery.

Don’t tell anyone though ;)

Hmmm. Seems like certain parties could create absolute havoc for a tax avoiding conglomerate if they were to mis-use such a clause in a creative manner... :hmm:
 
Hmmm. Seems like certain parties could create absolute havoc for a tax avoiding conglomerate if they were to mis-use such a clause in a creative manner... :hmm:

:D

I think you’ve got to plead with Amazon that it’s imperative you receive your parcels pronto as it’s very rare they agree to escalate. I’ve only had to do two escalations in they years I’ve delivered with Amazon but when it happens it’s quite the event as though Bezos himself has given the green light.
 
Well, I've found an address to write to Wayfair on, and have given them the whole sorry story. And observed that, in the circumstances, I don't expect to be asked to pay return delivery fees, since it seems unlikely I'll get the item in any case. We'll see what happens.
 
:D

I think you’ve got to plead with Amazon that it’s imperative you receive your parcels pronto as it’s very rare they agree to escalate. I’ve only had to do two escalations in they years I’ve delivered with Amazon but when it happens it’s quite the event as though Bezos himself has given the green light.

I guess if you were delivering important medical supplies it might happen. Though I don’t tend to buy such things from Amazon.
 
I guess if you were delivering important medical supplies it might happen. Though I don’t tend to buy such things from Amazon.

Think the most recent escalation I did was due to parcels containing birthday presents for customers kids - which is fair enough and a genuine enough reason in my books.
 
I mean I don't work in logistics, but I am a software architect, and I know that having a consistent multi-layered view of status in these cases is absolutely vital, and if that breaks down, either your original system was a massive hack job that needed constant manual work to keep it updated which breaks down under pressure (perfectly possible) or something has gone seriously wrong on a technical basis. Whatever has happened, you're fucked if your business is delivering shit and different people in your company think the shit is going to different places.

Well, you're not necessarily fucked, people put up with it because delivery is so bad these days. But I would be really embarrassed if that was a system I was involved with.
 
Ooh! An architect!

I’m more of a software plumber. If plumbers were only allowed to use duct tape.
 
I mean I don't work in logistics, but I am a software architect, and I know that having a consistent multi-layered view of status in these cases is absolutely vital, and if that breaks down, either your original system was a massive hack job that needed constant manual work to keep it updated which breaks down under pressure (perfectly possible) or something has gone seriously wrong on a technical basis. Whatever has happened, you're fucked if your business is delivering shit and different people in your company think the shit is going to different places.

Well, you're not necessarily fucked, people put up with it because delivery is so bad these days. But I would be really embarrassed if that was a system I was involved with.

With Amazon, you can track the driver in real time when he is ten stops away from you but recently customers have told me that their tracking showed me 30miles away up till when I’m on their doorstep - so maybe it’s this time of year and system overload with all delivery firms trying to keep up?
 
Ooh! An architect!

I’m more of a software plumber. If plumbers were only allowed to use duct tape.
Architect is when you lay out how the system should be organised. Engineer is when you have to build the system and make it work despite the twat of an architect said who clearly has no idea about how software actually operates. Plumber is when you have to fix the stupid shit that the engineers built without knowing how systems even work in production. Also you have a big moustache and a cap.

(I do all three to be fair but "architect" is the one with the biggest salary potentially attached so obviously that's on my linkedin.)
 
I mean I don't work in logistics, but I am a software architect, and I know that having a consistent multi-layered view of status in these cases is absolutely vital, and if that breaks down, either your original system was a massive hack job that needed constant manual work to keep it updated which breaks down under pressure (perfectly possible) or something has gone seriously wrong on a technical basis. Whatever has happened, you're fucked if your business is delivering shit and different people in your company think the shit is going to different places.

Well, you're not necessarily fucked, people put up with it because delivery is so bad these days. But I would be really embarrassed if that was a system I was involved with.
I agree, you're not fucked :D. But it does seem to me that there is quite a big disconnection in many online suppliers between themselves and their delivery partners. The reality is that an online company is going to stand or fall by the quality of the delivery service, given that the latter is a significant part of the customer's experience. A company can have an excellent shop window/website, but if the delivery logistics are poor, that will count for nothing in the long run.

You mentioned earlier about checking with companies who they used for deliveries, and I can remember, over 20 years ago, doing this with Action (computer parts supplier), whose preferred courier, CityLink, was the byword in shoddy delivery practice. I eventually, having told them repeatedly that I wouldn't do business with them unless they used a different delivery company, stopped placing orders with them...and I was doing a fair bit of that kind of business. I seem to recall that - presumably quite unconnected to my withdrawal of custom :D - they did switch to another courier, probably DPD who, back then at least, seemed to be a bit of a breath of fresh air.

And I said to Wayfair, in my email to them, that I would not be using companies who use UPS as their delivery partner - I don't suppose it will cut any ice, but it was something I felt I needed to say.
 
Just seems pointless for any delivery company to offer a re-direct service if it doesn’t actually follow through but just cause customer frustration.

One probably unknown service that Amazon offer is what’s know to us drivers as a customer ‘escalation’ - basically if the customer wasn’t home at time of delivery and it couldn’t be left with a neighbour etc, customer can contact Amazon and get driver to drop everything and go immediately to the escalated address to make delivery.

Don’t tell anyone though ;)
I'm still waiting for a parcel that was supposed to be delivered by amazon on Saturday. Didn't try me. Didn't deliver to my neighbour. I think it's lost.

They brought another parcel, just not that one.
 
Update. UPS have just emailed me to say they've delivered my item. To the delivery point that they told me yesterday they could not deliver it to. Apparently, it'll be there until 22nd December. So I'll leave it there until 22nd December, whereupon they can send it back to the consignor. Who hasn't replied to the email I sent them yesterday, but I'm getting used to my emails not being replied to :rolleyes:
 
...and then UPS went and delivered the fucking thing to my neighbour anyway. Only I think the vendor has given me a refund :).

There has not been one step in this whole process, short of losing the package altogether, that UPS have failed to fuck up on. Massive props to them :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
 
...and then UPS went and delivered the fucking thing to my neighbour anyway. Only I think the vendor has given me a refund :).

There has not been one step in this whole process, short of losing the package altogether, that UPS have failed to fuck up on. Massive props to them :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

Lol, so you’ve got a free tree, all thanks to UPS.

We ordered (I say we but mean the girlfriend) a console table off Wayfair and it arrived with no issue, but one of the drawers had the slightest of slight marks on it so the gf emailed Wayfair who said they’d sent a new one out. We thought they meant a new drawer to replace the ‘damaged’one but no, they sent out an entire new console table.

Then gf emailed Wayfair asking when they were going to collect the original console table but they told her to just keep it!

She sold it on a local Facebook selling page the following week!
 
I'm still waiting for a parcel that was supposed to be delivered by amazon on Saturday. Didn't try me. Didn't deliver to my neighbour. I think it's lost.

They brought another parcel, just not that one.

What is the status of the parcel you are waiting for showing on your account? (Delivered to customer)?
 
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