Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
eat out to help out!
Cost of Living Crisis: Enough is Enough Campaign
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
I don’t think of it as deserving vs. undeserving, but just that if you have no income then fairly biting poverty is something that can happen for many reasons and we can argue over the best mitigations etc. to get people sorted where necessary or provided for if otherwise not able to work.
Whereas if you’re working, then even by the Tories’ logic you’re in the tent, you’re meant to be covered. Covered by your income for your immediate needs and by your taxes for a variety of other needs. You’re part of the club.
If even that end of the bargain isn’t being kept up then the Government has forfeited the consent to govern based on their own rhetoric.
ska invita
back on the other side
Of course we are not in that world. Successive UK governments actively create an environment where conflict is inevitable.
I blame the UK government for many many things, but I don’t think that even I can blame them for Russia invading Ukraine. I can blame them as part of a world system, of course. But if the UK were like, I dunno, the Philippines or some other random place, Russia would still have invaded Ukraine.
Gordon Brown makes a radical intervention, which is more than Starmer can manage.
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The Inconvenient Gordon Brown
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Those of us with long memories will remember Gordon brown declared in 2007 that affordable housing was one of the great issues of our time. And finding it has become harder than ever over the past fifteen yearsGordon Brown makes a radical intervention, which is more than Starmer can manage.
The Inconvenient Gordon Brown
History will probably record that Gordon Brown's decisive action in nationalising the British banking sector and recapitalising the banks g...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I, for one, welcome Brown's excellent idea that the UK state should nationalise EDF
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Those of us with long memories will also remember Gordon Brown selling British Energy to EDF ?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Sure that was probably a throw away comment, but anyway....
That's exactly the kind of thing we don't want. The left can do stuff like that and demos in London (and other big cities) easily. It'll look nice and edgy and attract the usual kind of people, there might even be some scuffles or a riot, and for sure it can be fun and make us feel like something is happening.
But the stuff that needs to be done is stalls in every town and village, door-to-door knocking and leafleting, building up our confidence to have political conversations with people at work/in the park/at the gym/down the pub/etc. about our ideas, building robust confrontational workplace and neighbourhood organisations that can wield actual power and solve problems, etc.
Stuff much of the left have shied away from for a long time, and that has done us no favours. Maybe at some point spectacular stuff like you suggested may have it's place, but for me that kind of stuff is a long way off currently, and starting to do that now just leads us down a predictable and well trodden path to nowhere. I feel like the Don't Pay, some of the militant union, workplace and wildcat stuff currently, EiE (although that letter today was disappointing) and some other bits are the way to go, not reverting to the 50 young(ish) activists turning up with banners for some photos outside an MPs house/office/whatever.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book, the Powers That Be have a long history of getting people near the bottom blaming those on the bottom rather than those on the top.
But I do agree with the statement that working people shouldn't be using food banks or indeed getting any benefits at all. They shouldn't need to do so, not all workers are paid equally and they never will be. But someone working a full 40 hours a week at ANY job shouldn't need any benefits, their wage alone should be enough to provide an acceptable standard of accomodation plus three meals a day for them and a family if they need to support one. Working people being paid benefits is effectively public funds subsidising private exploitation.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Thanks; it's a bit disappointing that I had to hear about it this way. I've developed a habit of trying to avoid Facebook, I'd have thought this sort of thing they would also email out to people.
And yeah, asking Johnson to recall Parliament is a weaksauce move. I guess my hope is that this is a deliberate "we tried doing it by the book" opening maneuver, if that makes sense.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If only he had been some sort of prime minister, and in a position to actually do something about it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Too busy 'saving the world'.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
By the time the old are dying of hypothermia, Johnson will be hard at it, saving energy by over-wintering on Mustique with the Bismarcks
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
And the insane private finance initiative...which bequeathed hospitals on the hock for a generation.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
That's a good idea!
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Gordon Brown also presided over the beginning of the deleterious upheaval of the benefits system - including introducing the vile "work capability assessments" - from which too many people haven't survived. He can shove his ever-so-thoughtful opinion pieces where the sun don't shine.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Rallies is it? I'm getting flashbacks to the TUC campaign against austerity.
Maybe some of them are even A to B protests, but this one I got sent seems to be just an indoor meeting of the faithful. Enough is Enough Tickets | Free | 17 Aug @ The Clapham Grand, London | DICE
Maybe some of them are even A to B protests, but this one I got sent seems to be just an indoor meeting of the faithful. Enough is Enough Tickets | Free | 17 Aug @ The Clapham Grand, London | DICE
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That's depressingly shit on a number of levels. Are they stuck in a rut of saying the right things, but then completely not knowing what to do apart from what they've always done?
magneze
🎧
Weird, I didn't get that.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I was going to say, in defence of rallies, if they're directly tied to ongoing strike action like the one in Sheffield on the 20th, you can make an argument for them as an extension of the picket line support stuff. I suppose that one on the 17th is an eve-of-strike rally, but you'd think it'd make more sense holding it on the 18th when the RMT will actually be striking. Just checked when the tube strike is and that seems to be the 19th, so doesn't fit with that either, and the London bus strike is 19-20 as well. Unless they're holding it in advance of the strike because they expect that no-one will actually be able to get around London on the strike days?
Just had a quick look to see if there was anything happening in Manchester, but that mostly seems to be MUFC fans using "#enoughisenough" in combination with "#glazersout":
Maybe they should make that the 6th demand?
Just had a quick look to see if there was anything happening in Manchester, but that mostly seems to be MUFC fans using "#enoughisenough" in combination with "#glazersout":
Maybe they should make that the 6th demand?
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Sorry, was sent it by someone else I should have said, not on their email list. It's also up on their website. Expect there will be an email soon. But what is the purpose of this 'rally' in Clapham? It's bizarre and shit.
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