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[sihhi]

Travel bans will likely cause more harm than good.

I think if no travel ban, quarantin e must be instituted the incubation-infective period is too long to leave to chance with a shrug of the shoulders.
Goods can travel but people, in general, should not.

 

[kalidarkone]

Vitamin D I think is the main vitamin that's been demonstrated effective for resisting flu-like diseases, 1000 IU per day. Having said that I've been taking them for ages and I've just come down with an evil cold.

I take 10000 iu 5x a week between October and May-due to not being white/working 12 hour shifts/nightshifts/being fairly reclusive.

 

[two sheds]

That's sensible, hadn't thought of just taking it in winter.

 

[kalidarkone]

We in secondary care are fully expecting it to become a pandemic. My colleague and I were discussing it today- she wants to get it ASAP. Reason being that early adopters will have recourse to ITU if they get sick. If it really takes hold there will be no high-level care beds left if late or midwave victims get sick. Happy thoughts.

Yep have to fight for a post op ITU bed as it is and that was before coronavirus!

 

[kalidarkone]

That's sensible, hadn't thought of just taking it in winter.

I take it all year round but just half in between may and September. But I'm slightly concerned you might not be taking enough.

 

[kalidarkone]

Restricting travel would be pointless. You would have to ban it completely. And that wont happen.

Also people would still travel but in more unorthodox ways and less known routes meaning that the spread of the virus would be even harder to trace and monitor.

 

[two sheds]

Possibly - particularly with having picked up a couple of nasties this winter. I saw 1000 IU was the recommended dose though.

 

[kalidarkone]

I've just whatsapped my mate who went to Italy at the weekend -can't remember where in Italy she was going but it was to enjoy hot springs. She is someone with several chronic conditions......she may have to isolate herself when back.

 

[weltweit]

Just to add a little optimism to the debate:

COVID-19 Vaccine Shipped, and Drug Trials Start

A vaccine and a drug against COVID-19 are closer to human testing

time.com

Time magazine is reporting that a proposed vaccine is heading for testing in the USA.

Now I don't know how long testing is usually, nor if it is successful how long after that to have volume production, but a proposed vaccine going into testing has to be good news.

 

[Teaboy]

Just to add a little optimism to the debate:

COVID-19 Vaccine Shipped, and Drug Trials Start

A vaccine and a drug against COVID-19 are closer to human testing

time.com

Time magazine is reporting that a proposed vaccine is heading for testing in the USA.

Now I don't know how long testing is usually, nor if it is successful how long after that to have volume production, but a proposed vaccine going into testing has to be good news.

We'll all be dead or immune by the time they get anything to market, the way it is spreading.

 

[weltweit]

We'll all be dead or immune by the time they get anything to market, the way it is spreading.

Now now Teaboy, I was being positive

 

[weltweit]

I see the news are saying today there have been more new infections detected outside China than in.

 

[Supine]

Just to add a little optimism to the debate:

COVID-19 Vaccine Shipped, and Drug Trials Start

A vaccine and a drug against COVID-19 are closer to human testing

time.com

Time magazine is reporting that a proposed vaccine is heading for testing in the USA.

Now I don't know how long testing is usually, nor if it is successful how long after that to have volume production, but a proposed vaccine going into testing has to be good news.

The Moderna product is completely new so will start with Phase 1 clinical trials on a small number of healthy people. It would then progress to phases that involve ill people.

The second product mentioned remdesivir is much further down the path to approval so would be quicker to utilise. That American trial mentioned is in addition to a larger scale trial which is already underway in China - with results expected on April 25th I think. This is viewed as the most promising drug and is already getting manufactured in China - without Gilliad approval presumably.

 

[prunus]

We'll all be dead or immune by the time they get anything to market, the way it is spreading.

Coronavirus acquired immunity tends to be time-limited (a few tens of months) so in all likelihood the survivors of this round will need it in a few years time.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Heard today that a few schools nearby had trips away to northern Italy over the midterm.
All back and went straight to school.

But the same situation happened up north and the pupils were told to stay at home for 14 days.

 

[sihhi]

Similar situation as to Italy as in France, healthy 60 year old man hospitalised due to flu symptoms last week situation worsens transfered to another hospital as his situation gets worse, only after about 7 days is coronavirus suspected and a sample is taken for testing.

Died last night due to large pulmonary embolism.

Coronavirus : le malade décédé est un enseignant originaire de l’Oise

Cet homme de 60 ans, un premier temps hospitalité à Creil, avait été transféré en urgence mardi à la Pitié-Salpêtrière, à Paris.

www.leparisien.fr

« Son infection a été découverte à la fin de son séjour », souligne un membre de l'hôpital de Compiègne. Pendant plusieurs jours, il a donc été en contact avec le personnel des urgences et du service de réanimation de Compiègne.

His infection was only discovered at the end of his hospital stay, stresses a member of the Compiegne hospital. Over several days, he was thus in close contact with A+E staff and ICU staff in Compiegne. Thus these staff in all likelihood must be quarantined and tested and their contacts chased which again in all likehood will be other poorly patients.

 

[weltweit]

The news again, in the Vatican the Pope held his normal prayers with thousands and afterwards pressed the flesh apparently as if everything was normal.

 

[Ax^]

make mental note to get the messages in the morning before the world ends

 

[two sheds]

The news again, in the Vatican the Pope held his normal prayers with thousands and afterwards pressed the flesh apparently as if everything was normal.

Chicken pox parties

 

[vanya]

The CoVID-19 coronavirus belongs to the same family as many of the viruses that cause the common cold. It’s got similar properties — it’s highly transmissible from one human respiratory system to another, and causes an upper respiratory infection that, in some cases, turns into pneumonia and becomes serious. Quite a few people who catch it show no symptoms at all or have an ordinary cold — mild fever, runny nose, you know the score. The great majority of the people who’ve died from it were very old, were in bad health already, or worked themselves to exhaustion. (This happens to doctors routinely in epidemics.)

At this point it looks as though it’s going to become a global pandemic, meaning that most people will be exposed to it. If you’re old, sick, or immunocompromised, or if you work in a health care field that will be involved in treating cases, you could be at serious risk. Otherwise, treat it as you would a case of the flu. Don’t use health care facilities when the epidemic is moving through your community, unless you absolutely have to — they’ll be working overtime to deal with the people who need serious medical help. Also, remember that this is a normal part of life; most people in most periods of history have had to deal with epidemics that were much, much worse.

 

[elbows]

More about the UKs new approach to surveillance.

New surveillance system for early detection of COVID-19

Public Health England (PHE) and the NHS establish a new surveillance system to detect cases of COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

There is no current evidence to show that the virus is circulating in the community in England, but internationally there is evidence of wider transmission of the virus in areas outside of China, most recently Italy and South Korea.

This new surveillance strategy will enable PHE to identify early evidence of spread within England, if this occurs.

In other words, there wasnt any evidence because we werent looking for any, and have now decided to look.

 

[Marty1]

More about the UKs new approach to surveillance.

New surveillance system for early detection of COVID-19

Public Health England (PHE) and the NHS establish a new surveillance system to detect cases of COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

In other words, there wasnt any evidence because we werent looking for any, and have now decided to look.

Bit like no news is good news?

 

[elbows]

Bit like no news is good news?

Sort of, yes. Anyway its been a major theme of mine here recently. Because we were already in a phase where it was important to do this wider surveillance (I would have run it since the start of Feb at least), and there are historical examples of looking the other way for a while at such a stage. I am very glad that they have switched stance because it means I dont have to keep going on about it anymore, at least not in the context of the UK and that particular type of surveillance.

 

[Cid]

Possibly - particularly with having picked up a couple of nasties this winter. I saw 1000 IU was the recommended dose though.

Christ I had a deficiency and I've only been prescribed 800IU 1/day. Admittedly after a 12 week massive dose (though that was once a week). Can't remember what that was though.

 

[two sheds]

I've been taking that for almost a year now and it's all gone fine. Apart from the infection of course

 

[Marty1]

I got the flu jab last year and have been off work for over a week now with strong head cold

 

[elbows]

Sort of, yes. Anyway its been a major theme of mine here recently. Because we were already in a phase where it was important to do this wider surveillance (I would have run it since the start of Feb at least), and there are historical examples of looking the other way for a while at such a stage. I am very glad that they have switched stance because it means I dont have to keep going on about it anymore, at least not in the context of the UK and that particular type of surveillance.

Oh and its not always about looking the other way deliberately. Its also about the sort of prioritisation and rigidity that might be experienced when adhering to certain forms of bureaucratic systems.

It is understandable that a very narrow set of priorities might receive all of the attention and resources during first few phases, especially when capacity (including testing capacity) is still being ramped up and protocols tweaked.

I suppose I can live with that as long as there are common sense overrides in decision making available, so that bureacratic rigidity does not extent for such long periods of time that the entire thing becomes clearly absurd to everyone.

In this case, the obvious community spread in parts of Italy triggered a new assessment of where things were at. So they have at least avoided a fresh absurdity, and so far I have only been treated to the classic absurdities which I already anticipated and droned on about for weeks. And the discovery of spread around the world has happened so quickly that there hasnt been time for very many weeks of extreme ostrich head-burying or credibility-reducing denials.

 

[Fez909]

I don't want anyone to die from Covid19 but if it has to take people, how about Gwyneth Paltrow makes up some of that 2%?

She's a cunt, she sells woo to protect against serious problems, and she's now even joking about it and wearing masks as a fashion accessory:

Gwyneth Paltrow jokes about Contagion as she debuts mask on flight

Gwyneth Paltrow made a funny joke about her role in the film Contagion amid coronavirus fear as she covered her face on a trip to Paris

www.mirror.co.uk

Also, she was in Contagion, so all of this would make her a deeply ironic/amusing person to be bumped off

 

[elbows]

I wonder if there was disagreement about which age to put in the following sentence from the new WHO guide to getting your workplace ready for Covid-19. Resulting in a mistake in the current version 1.2

Risk of serious illness rises with age: people over 40 seem to be more vulnerable than those under 50.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/getting-workplace-ready-for-covid-19.pdf

 

[Cid]

I wonder if there was disagreement about which age to put in the following sentence from the new WHO guide to getting your workplace ready for Covid-19. Resulting in a mistake in the current version 1.2

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/getting-workplace-ready-for-covid-19.pdf

That's um... Well.

I wonder how viable it is to set up as one of those reclusive hunter types you find in the arse end of Canada/Norway etc?