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Part-timah
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2,459 deaths reported so far.
weltweit
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That's a lot of people.
Part-timah
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If this goes fully unconfined a few zeros will be added to that figure.
elbows
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Its a fast developing story. And some aspects of it have certainly been reported in the UK, including in football news:
Coronavirus: Several football games in Italy called off after second death
A number of football matches in Italy have been postponed over fears of the spread of coronavirus.
www.bbc.co.uk
If they make Italy the great big main headline story and direct huge amounts of attention towards it then, a bit like the decision to use the word pandemic or not, it might be considered to be one of those bits of news which can have a notable impact on public concerns about risks to themselves, because things will seem a bit closer to home. Since recent days have already featured news that has changed the tone, and such adjustments are ongoing, there could be a little bit of lag before they are quite ready for the UK message and mood music to advance to quite that stage. Plus much depends on whether number of confirmed cases in Italy leaps up dramatically from the point its already reached, and how quickly. What I am saying could be obsolete rather quickly indeed, I dont know what will be detected this week or whether phase of UK public health message will change more obviously sometime this week, it might.
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weltweit
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Well it is spreading from Hubei and Wuhan into wider China, Korea, Singapore, Japan, Iran, potentially Africa, Italy etc..
The spread does seem quite gradual but perhaps that's the way of these things. Perhaps it just creeps up on us.
Yossarian
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They seem to be more effective at stopping people spreading the virus - so while some people may have thought they were wearing masks to protect themselves, they were actually protecting everybody else.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Its a fast developing story. And some aspects of it have certainly been reported in the UK, including in football news:
Coronavirus: Several football games in Italy called off after second death
A number of football matches in Italy have been postponed over fears of the spread of coronavirus.www.bbc.co.uk
If they make Italy the great big main headline story and direct huge amounts of attention towards it then, a bit like the decision to use the word pandemic or not, it might be considered to be one of those bits of news which can have a notable impact on public concerns about risks to themselves, because things will seem a bit closer to home. Since recent days have already featured news that has changed the tone, and such adjustments are ongoing, there could be a little bit of lag before they are quite ready for the UK message and mood music to advance to quite that stage. Plus much depends on whether number of confirmed cases in Italy leaps up dramatically from the point its already reached, and how quickly. What I am saying could be obsolete rather quickly indeed, I dont know what will be detected this week or whether phase of UK public health message will change more obviously sometime this week, it might.
La Repubblica, Italy's version of the Guardian, has a live feed here:
Coronavirus in Italia: tutte le notizie di febbraio
In Italy, it seems a classic case of hospital-based spread. At least there is some honesty about this:
“All those who have tested positive are people who on February 18-19 had contacts with the emergency room and the hospital of Codogno,” Regional Health Councillor Giulio Gallera said, adding 259 people had been screened in the area in the past two days and 35 had tested positive.
I think there is something lacking about Iran's announcements. Already there have been 6 deaths. In Qom, there are Chinese workers and engineers doing railway work, and people there know this and were told blatant lies about the shooting of the Ukraine passenger plane blaming for three days, so there's more scepticism.
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Bacteriophages eat/kill bacteria. Not much use against a virus.
elbows
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elbows
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The Guardian are now giving the Italian stuff prominence, via an AP story prominently placed on their homepage (at the time of writing).
www.theguardian.com
Coronavirus: northern Italian towns close schools and businesses
Authorities act on cluster of infections in the Lombardy and Veneto regions
Baronage-Phase
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Yes and your machine on which you get customers to sign for delivery will be a primary vector of contamination.
Ive noticed recently that delivery people are signing it themselves.
Not that I'm at the receiving end of shitloads of deliveries I hasten to add ...
Baronage-Phase
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Why is water something we would need to stock up on?
I'm on a mains water scheme that's actually very good...modernised 15 years ago. About the best in the country...apparently.
How would a coronavirus outbreak effect supply of water?
Anyone?
Part-timah
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A pretty animated graph doing the rounds on Twitter.
Part-timah
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Why is water something we would need to stock up on?
I'm on a mains water scheme that's actually very good...modernised 15 years ago. About the best in the country...apparently.
How would a coronavirus outbreak effect supply of water?
Anyone?
The WHO estimates worker absenteeism at around 35% during pandemic waves. This is not just through illness but for all considered reasons. If any organisation loses 35% of its staff the service it provides will be reduced. However, as I’ve previously mentioned water is a core part of the UKs Critical National Infrastructure. Its a must have. In the realistic worst case scenario there may be some minor disruption but maintaining an acceptable level of service will be a priority. No need to panic.
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Even if they did there is no staff. There is not even enough staff to fill the hospitals we have.
A colleague at work recently went to Thailand for holiday, she has come back and self isolated for 14 days as those are our trust guidelines atm.
Why is water something we would need to stock up on?
I'm on a mains water scheme that's actually very good...modernised 15 years ago. About the best in the country...apparently.
How would a coronavirus outbreak effect supply of water?
Anyone?
Yeah, it’s already been discussed up-thread - I was probably being over cautious.
elbows
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Oops, I started looking into this and it looks like there was a period in late May/early June 2009 where, according to some reports of the time, the UK was one of the countries leaning on the WHO to delay the announcement of pandemic phase 6. Unfortunately the supporting articles from the period are often not available now, so I will have to do some more digging on this one. I havent been able to ascertain how much delay this caused, although since phase 6 was eventually declared on June 11 2009, might only be talking about a week or two. And interestingly it was Scotland that ended up acknowledging wider community spread before the UK as a whole was ready for that stance. At the time the UK stuck to a 'tamiflu-based containment strategy' as a big part of their public health message, and seemed reluctant to move on.
Speaking of Scotland, there was this yesterday:
Coronavirus: Scottish public health rules tightened
Covid-19, the new form of coronavirus, becomes a notifiable disease under Scottish public health rules.
www.bbc.co.uk
Part-timah
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This is a succinct explanation of a pandemic:
I like his accent too.
I like his accent too.
baldrick
hmmmmm
Are you and your husband there still? I know you were keen to go home but I don't know how possible that is for you x
Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
Yeah, we're in Seoul right now. We're planning on heading back into China this week and being quarantined in our apartment for 14 days.
Our city seems to have things under control and I have some sausages in my freezer I can't stop thinking about. 
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Holy cow. New one in Hong Kong visited clinic 6 times in space of 9 days, eventually hospitalised and diagnosed. His flat and apartment block now been deep cleaned.
Also some sort of cluster in a Hong Kong Buddhist temple group - 3 confirmed all visited there early February.
A 29 year old female doctor in Wuhan confirmed 31 Jan, died yesterday.
Also some sort of cluster in a Hong Kong Buddhist temple group - 3 confirmed all visited there early February.
A 29 year old female doctor in Wuhan confirmed 31 Jan, died yesterday.
elbows
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Regarding when to start going on about pandemics, and other issues of public health communication, these risk comms people believe in preparing the public well in advance. Probably not everyone in their field, and related fields, agrees with everything they say, but they do broadly represent the sort of approach I favour and have argued for here in the past.
virologydownunder.com
That article also contains a link to a similar article they did in regards swine flu in 2009. This also happens to be one of the few remaining sources I can find that makes reference to the UK leaning on the WHO in 2009. But its a rather long piece that probably could have been made a lot more concise. And in the 2009 piece, they could rely on certain assumptions about flu, not all of which currently apply to this coronavirus. But its a topic close to my heart. And given the way containment and the narrative have gone with coronavirus so far, some of their key points seem extremely relevant.
www.psandman.com
Past Time to Tell the Public: “It Will Probably Go Pandemic, and We Should All Prepare Now”
by Jody Lanard and Peter M. Sandman NOTE FROM IAN: The expert risk communication team of Lanard and Sandman has given me permission to post their very well-considered reply to my question of them just
virologydownunder.com
That article also contains a link to a similar article they did in regards swine flu in 2009. This also happens to be one of the few remaining sources I can find that makes reference to the UK leaning on the WHO in 2009. But its a rather long piece that probably could have been made a lot more concise. And in the 2009 piece, they could rely on certain assumptions about flu, not all of which currently apply to this coronavirus. But its a topic close to my heart. And given the way containment and the narrative have gone with coronavirus so far, some of their key points seem extremely relevant.
Containment as Signal: Swine Flu Risk Miscommunication (Peter Sandman column)
Containment as Signal: Swine Flu Risk Miscommunication (Peter Sandman column)
elbows
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My stuff last night about Italy not being the main headline did not last long.
Coronavirus: Venice Carnival closes as Italy imposes lockdown
Italy quarantines whole towns, closes schools and cancels sports fixtures as infections increase.
www.bbc.co.uk
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I for one thank you for the measured sifting of the evidence. The risk communication people, who elected them? How are they accountable?Regarding when to start going on about pandemics, and other issues of public health communication, these risk comms people believe in preparing the public well in advance. Probably not everyone in their field, and related fields, agrees with everything they say, but they do broadly represent the sort of approach I favour and have argued for here in the past.
Past Time to Tell the Public: “It Will Probably Go Pandemic, and We Should All Prepare Now”
by Jody Lanard and Peter M. Sandman NOTE FROM IAN: The expert risk communication team of Lanard and Sandman has given me permission to post their very well-considered reply to my question of them just
That article also contains a link to a similar article they did in regards swine flu in 2009. This also happens to be one of the few remaining sources I can find that makes reference to the UK leaning on the WHO in 2009. But its a rather long piece that probably could have been made a lot more concise. And in the 2009 piece, they could rely on certain assumptions about flu, not all of which currently apply to this coronavirus. But its a topic close to my heart. And given the way containment and the narrative have gone with coronavirus so far, some of their key points seem extremely relevant.
Containment as Signal: Swine Flu Risk Miscommunication (Peter Sandman column)
Containment as Signal: Swine Flu Risk Miscommunication (Peter Sandman column)
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The detectable softening up process can be alarming.
