If they’re all like the flight up there ^^ that’s about 2500 per day with Indian-variant COVID arriving in the UK.
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teqniq
DisMembered
A huge mistake, driven I suspect mainly by greed:
www.theguardian.com
The world needs a patent waiver on Covid vaccines. Why is the UK blocking it? | Gabriel Scally
Letting countries create their own generic versions of the jabs is the best way to combat the spread of vaccine-resistant variants, says Gabriel Scally of Independent Sage
I swap those 2500 for Disgraced Prime Minister Johnson if they agreed to keep him.
elbows
Well-Known Member
My correspondent in a small town in Rajasthan just explained that the reason India’s doing well is that the government is so great.
Does seem more likely that it’s herd immunity. So the opposite of lockdown. Which is interesting but you’d need the real covid-related death figures to know more.
Coronavirus: Has India achieved herd immunity? – DW – 02/09/2021
New COVID cases and deaths have fallen sharply in India in the past few weeks, which has led some officials to suggest that the country has achieved herd immunity. But how credible are these claims?www.dw.com
I'm quoting this post from Feb 13th now to illustrate how quickly things can change, and also as a warning to anybody who has not learnt the cruel lessons about premature proclamations of herd immunity in this pandemic.
Not that the article linked to should have left people with the impression herd immunity had been reached there.
Not having a go at you bimble, I just cant help pointing out certain lessons that I think are key in this pandemic, and when I was searching for what we were saying about India earlier this year I could not resist highlighting that post.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'd split the herd immuntiy lesson into three parts. Firstly be aware how many agendas make use of made up herd immunity claims. Secondly dont use it as a source of hope if you see data that implies 30% or 50% of people have antibodies, just resist the temptation, the threshold is expected to be much higher than that. Thirdly when we actually reach a point where experts tell us the herd immunity threshold has been reached, we still need to wait and make sure the expected protection is really there, and that it isnt scuppered by new variants, waning immunity or unknown factors. Hardly anywhere in the world has reached the point of testing that third part yet, apart from Manaus in Brazil which then suffered catastrophe.
Would it be terribly wrong for me to enjoy the schadenfreude of a racist sexist antivaxxer republican Trump supporting clown like Ted Nugent getting covid?
He calls it the "Chinese shit"
So yes, no fucks given.
He calls it the "Chinese shit"
So yes, no fucks given.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
No you are not wrong at all!
The Independent: Ted Nugent tests positive for coronavirus after calling pandemic a ‘scam’.
Ted Nugent tests positive for coronavirus after calling pandemic a ‘scam’
‘I thought I was dying,’ musician said
www.independent.co.uk
Combustible
Well-Known Member
I don't think Herman Cain liked having the virus
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Some of the comments are pretty funny. If you are a denier and you die of COVID-19, my sympathy stopped stretching a long way before it reaches you.
bimble
floofy
please could someone tell me what this bit means from the artricle below?
It says "In the space of just 12 days, the Covid positivity rate doubled to 17%, while in Delhi it hit 30%."
What does that mean, covid positivity rate.
It cant be, surely, that 3 in every 10 people in the capital have covid right now, can it. Anyway how would they even know?
www.theguardian.com
The news from india is making me feel that this thing will not be over until maybe 2023, like in 1918-2020 with that second wave variant. Whilst goodwill & patience (here and elsewhere ) will probably barely stretch into early June .
It says "In the space of just 12 days, the Covid positivity rate doubled to 17%, while in Delhi it hit 30%."
What does that mean, covid positivity rate.
It cant be, surely, that 3 in every 10 people in the capital have covid right now, can it. Anyway how would they even know?
‘The system has collapsed’: India’s descent into Covid hell
Many falsely believed that the country had defeated Covid. Now hospitals are running out of oxygen and bodies are stacking up in morgues
The news from india is making me feel that this thing will not be over until maybe 2023, like in 1918-2020 with that second wave variant. Whilst goodwill & patience (here and elsewhere ) will probably barely stretch into early June .
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Yossarian
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It's the percentage of COVID tests that came back positive.
bimble
floofy
of course.
Supine
Newt Member
To put 30% into context, CDC consider 15% as ‘spreading like wildfire’
miss direct
misfungled
Well Brits are now allowed back into Turkey on direct flights with no quarantine, just a negative test.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Been reading more about India. The more I read and the more I think about it the more worried I get about this outbreak.
India has turned into a model of what happens if you don't fully lockdown during a pandemic. This is especially true when everyone lives in extremely close conditions. I'm surprised Delhi has gone past Mumbai. Mumbai population has a staggering 20 million people in an area of just 603 square km. If you've ever been sometimes it's hard to stand more than 1m from anyone in the street.
They are running out or have run out of oxygen.
There are no beds
People are dying waiting outside the hospital
People are dying trying to find a hospital
People are dying trying to find oxygen
They are running out of medication
They can't cremate or bury the dead fast enough.
The graphs are pointless as they don't have the testing capacity, just think of a vertical line, you'd be as correct as any official statistics. 1.4 people a second are dying there.
Their version of the virus has out-competed the Kent, SA and Brazilian variants in 2 months. There is already talk of vaccine escape on this variant.
The most worrying for me is this statement from a doctor in Mumbai from this article ‘The system has collapsed’: India’s descent into Covid hell
Under 45's aren't vaccinated here.
She was 22, got symptoms and died 5 days later.
Currently, 5% of Indian people flying back are testing positive. There was a flight from India to Hong Kong 4th April, 188 people, all tested "negative" before boarding. 53 tested positive in HK's strict 3-week quarantine procedure. That's over 25% infection rate on a single flight on the 4th of April. I suspect the negative Indian testing can easily be purchased for a lot less than having the test.
Our borders to India don't close till Friday. WTF are we doing?
Are we going to get the 3rd wave in the UK in the summer due to this variant?
Here's a newspapers cartoon from the 19th century, welcoming Cholera to NYC (Dr John)
India has turned into a model of what happens if you don't fully lockdown during a pandemic. This is especially true when everyone lives in extremely close conditions. I'm surprised Delhi has gone past Mumbai. Mumbai population has a staggering 20 million people in an area of just 603 square km. If you've ever been sometimes it's hard to stand more than 1m from anyone in the street.
They are running out or have run out of oxygen.
There are no beds
People are dying waiting outside the hospital
People are dying trying to find a hospital
People are dying trying to find oxygen
They are running out of medication
They can't cremate or bury the dead fast enough.
The graphs are pointless as they don't have the testing capacity, just think of a vertical line, you'd be as correct as any official statistics. 1.4 people a second are dying there.
Their version of the virus has out-competed the Kent, SA and Brazilian variants in 2 months. There is already talk of vaccine escape on this variant.
The most worrying for me is this statement from a doctor in Mumbai from this article ‘The system has collapsed’: India’s descent into Covid hell
Under 45's aren't vaccinated here.
She was 22, got symptoms and died 5 days later.
Currently, 5% of Indian people flying back are testing positive. There was a flight from India to Hong Kong 4th April, 188 people, all tested "negative" before boarding. 53 tested positive in HK's strict 3-week quarantine procedure. That's over 25% infection rate on a single flight on the 4th of April. I suspect the negative Indian testing can easily be purchased for a lot less than having the test.
Our borders to India don't close till Friday. WTF are we doing?
Are we going to get the 3rd wave in the UK in the summer due to this variant?
Here's a newspapers cartoon from the 19th century, welcoming Cholera to NYC (Dr John)
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I don't think so, PCR & LFT tests have been picking up new variants all the time, across the world, just as covid in general, rather than it being a specific new variant.
More likely down to a combination of lack of testing, and the fact that this far more infectious variant has only been around for a fairly short time period, but taken off very, very quickly, as the Kent variant did.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I think its even eclipses the Kent variant, for a country that is low on tests, I think that upswing is about one month wide.
Anyone's guess at the real number. Any infectious disease that's unknowingly transmitted in close contact in a country where people are really close together is in trouble.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
This is a grim watch - be warned:
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
In western countries where we have the medical capacity and wealth to lock down the nation, the % death from catching covid-19 is 0.7%
I think we can safely say this is already a catastrophe and it's only 60 days since they started noticing this variant.
Delhi is pretty much out of Oxygen. More is on the way but if you're on a ventilator and it runs out of oxygen, you die.
I see China is offering to help, I think it's possibly the only country with enough resources to make an immediate dent.
I hope the USA will stop blocking the bags they cultivate vaccines in, there are only 2 companies that make them and they are both in the USA and the US is preventing exports.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
FYI: We are really global now,. which is fine until it's not
www.theguardian.com
An excellent explanation of why
Global Covid vaccine rollout threatened by shortage of vital components
Pharmaceutical firms warn of delays to items such as the large bags in which vaccine cells are grown
An excellent explanation of why
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
My heart goes out to India, it's seriously in covid hell. 
More hospitals running out of oxygen, and reduced to appealing on twitter for supplies.
Crematorium struggling to deal with demand.
BBC Link
And, massive under reporting of covid deaths, that some reports suggest are running at up to ten times the official figures of over 2,000 a day.
This article is hard to read, and frankly heart breaking.
www.bloomberg.com
More hospitals running out of oxygen, and reduced to appealing on twitter for supplies.
Crematorium struggling to deal with demand.
BBC Link
And, massive under reporting of covid deaths, that some reports suggest are running at up to ten times the official figures of over 2,000 a day.
This article is hard to read, and frankly heart breaking.
Even Record Death Toll May Hide Extent of India’s Covid Crisis
Bodies piling up at crematoriums and burial grounds across India are sparking concerns that the death toll from a ferocious new Covid-19 wave may be much higher than official records, underplaying the scale of a resurgence that is overwhelming the country’s medical system.
www.bloomberg.com
I don't think I can work up to reading that Bloomberg article yet, but I will make myself do that later. Everything sounds horrendous!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
miss direct
misfungled
I'm teaching lots of Indian students at the moment. If anyone questions why these people arrived, I can say that various UK universities told them they had to come to the UK by a certain date in order to continue their studies (even though the studies are still online for now.) They are also mainly failing to self isolate completely, as they need to buy food (and without a UK bank card, that's difficult).
