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The news from India is terrifying. And that after all the speculation about how the country must have reached some sort of herd immunity as there seemed no other explanation for the dramatic and sustained low numbers of cases over the past several months.
And of course the biggest festival in the world, that'll help.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
And of course the biggest festival in the world, that'll help.
Kumbh Mela 2021: Over 100 pilgrims, 20 seers test +ve in Maha Kumbh | India News - Times of India
India News: At least 102 pilgrims and 20 seers have tested positive for Covid-19 as religious heads have refused to get tested, wear masks and not follow social d
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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Turkey today:
number of tests: 310.420
number of new cases: 62.797
number of tests: 310.420
number of new cases: 62.797
elbows
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The BBC had Orla Guerin lending her doom tones and emotive political angles to the terrible story of Turkey in the pandemic on the main BBC news the other day, thats how bad its gotten there.
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I saw that, and my first thought was to wonder how long it is until she's asked to move on...the BBC is not particularly well regarded in various circles in Turkey.
The news from India is terrifying. And that after all the speculation about how the country must have reached some sort of herd immunity as there seemed no other explanation for the dramatic and sustained low numbers of cases over the past several months.
And of course the biggest festival in the world, that'll help.
Kumbh Mela 2021: Over 100 pilgrims, 20 seers test +ve in Maha Kumbh | India News - Times of India
India News: At least 102 pilgrims and 20 seers have tested positive for Covid-19 as religious heads have refused to get tested, wear masks and not follow social d
We were discussing this a bit upthread, but those latest figures are really horrible
On a slightly weirder note in the midst of all that .....
The Times of India article above, is a walking example of making those who are fluent in UK English wonder whether they understand Indian English at all
I keep having to remind myself what the fuck a 'lakh' is (100,000).
(And good on you if you remember what a 'crore' is (ten million
).
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More information about the Kumbh in the Times of India here :
With some frightening infection-rate figures more generally, further down that article!
Times of India said:Lakhs of devotees have been gathering for the event on the banks of the River Ganga for a holy dip amid concerns over the surge in Covid-19 cases across the country.
The Kumbh Mela is being held from April 1 to 30 this year.
The state government said that till 6pm, a staggering 13,51,631 devotees [aka 1,351,631!
With some frightening infection-rate figures more generally, further down that article!
Flavour
hang the bankers
Potential for further calamity in Italy if the regional governments have their way.
Basically the leaders of Lombardy, Piedmont, Sicily (who have quite significant powers, like Mayors of massive counties) etc are all pushing the national government to relax restrctions, open restaurants, gyms, cinemas, and so on. The national government, who obviously has more serious scientfic advisers, is trying to push back, but the fatigue is really setting in now and the regional government leaders want to be seen as the face of the resistance to lockdown because they think it's a vote winner.
But with vaccine figures being what they are (they've only just finished vaccinating the over 80s!) ... it's obviously going to end badly if the big reopening happens right now, esepcially with all these variants and so on
Basically the leaders of Lombardy, Piedmont, Sicily (who have quite significant powers, like Mayors of massive counties) etc are all pushing the national government to relax restrctions, open restaurants, gyms, cinemas, and so on. The national government, who obviously has more serious scientfic advisers, is trying to push back, but the fatigue is really setting in now and the regional government leaders want to be seen as the face of the resistance to lockdown because they think it's a vote winner.
But with vaccine figures being what they are (they've only just finished vaccinating the over 80s!) ... it's obviously going to end badly if the big reopening happens right now, esepcially with all these variants and so on
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
god those weekly jumps in deaths in america seem heartbreaking.
www.theguardian.com
Covid-19 map of the US: latest cases state by state
There have now been more than 68m confirmed cases of Covid-19 across the United States
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
The news from India is terrifying. And that after all the speculation about how the country must have reached some sort of herd immunity as there seemed no other explanation for the dramatic and sustained low numbers of cases over the past several months.
And of course the biggest festival in the world, that'll help.
Kumbh Mela 2021: Over 100 pilgrims, 20 seers test +ve in Maha Kumbh | India News - Times of India
India News: At least 102 pilgrims and 20 seers have tested positive for Covid-19 as religious heads have refused to get tested, wear masks and not follow social d
Having this festival during the pandemic is possibly the most insane thing any country has ever done. Trump, Bolsonaro etc are nothing to allowing this to go ahead. I suppose it's such a fundamental part of their culture, I'm unsure they could actually do much to stop it. Hindu's don't view death in the same way as other cultures.
If people don't know the Kumba Mela is huge. A big year, 50 million people gather in one place. Its size varies depending on the year, the big ones are 6 and 12 years apart. There are I think 4 places in India that n accommodate such a gathering. I want to volunteer one year to experience it.
I suppose it's all outdoors? The train home might be the real problem.....
bimble
floofy
I think any government would have struggled to tell people not to go to the holiest festival but this current one, Hindu Nationalist to the core, wouldn't have even considered trying.
I've been to one, long ago, absolutely mental. You want to "volunteer' as what?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
god those weekly jumps in deaths in america seem heartbreaking.
Covid-19 map of the US: latest cases state by state
There have now been more than 68m confirmed cases of Covid-19 across the United States
Despite doing fairly well with vaccinations, the US average daily deaths, when adjusted for population, have been running at around five times that of the UK for the last few weeks.
crossthebreeze
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Absolutely grim news from Brazil - but also scary comment how close we came in the UK to not having enough out of sedative and paralytic drugs.
Agreeing completely
Allowing this is so bonkers, I had a real shock when I heard.
But I also don't think a ban could have been in any way enforced, or at least not ptoperly -- the Kumbh is so important for so many.
The Kumbh is something that in future I'd like to see in theory, but in practice, I reckon I'd be too scared/overwhelmed!
Even the so-called half-Mela, sometimes held in non mega-years, would be vast .....
From pix I've seen, there are plenty of temple-tents and the like as well as the outdoor bathing in the Ganges and so on. ......
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I think any government would have struggled to tell people not to go to the holiest festival but this current one, Hindu Nationalist to the core, wouldn't have even considered trying.
I've been to one, long ago, absolutely mental. You want to "volunteer' as what?
I’m assuming there are things I could do as a non Hindu. Not looked into it. Not sure, could just go. India is amazing.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Things are getting grim in India, at the start of March they were reporting an average of just over 15k new cases a day, that's now over 84k, following record of over 100k being recorded on Sunday.
Less than 2 weeks later, and the last couple of days they have reported over 200k new cases a day, although adjusted for population that's equal to only 10k a day in the UK, but OTOH they have only carried out under a 10th of the number of tests done per million compared to the UK, so we can assume the true figure is much higher.
When it comes to deaths, they have only recorded 126 per million, but there's massive under reporting and confusion about what the true figure actually is, and there doesn't appear to be any data comparing excess deaths since the start of the pandemic, which would give a better idea of the real situation.
But, with hospitals being overwhelmed in some states, it must be pretty grim.
Add into the mix this so-called "double mutate Indian variant", which has already surfaced in the UK, and is currently designated a “variant under investigation”, but according to reports, is a candidate for becoming a "variant of concern" pretty soon, it's shit all round.
I doubt the stewards/organisers there would try and stop you -- if you were showing respect and interest, I bet they'd welcome you.
You're a braver man than me, though! -- the size of it!!
And your adventure would have to be way in the future, obviously.
More thread-relevantly though, I suspect the full Covid-impact of this year's Mela happening, has yet to be known
sideboob
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India’s health system has collapsedLess than 2 weeks later, and the last couple of days they have reported over 200k new cases a day, although adjusted for population that's equal to only 10k a day in the UK, but OTOH they have only carried out under a 10th of the number of tests done per million compared to the UK, so we can assume the true figure is much higher.
When it comes to deaths, they have only recorded 126 per million, but there's massive under reporting and confusion about what the true figure actually is, and there doesn't appear to be any data comparing excess deaths since the start of the pandemic, which would give a better idea of the real situation.
But, with hospitals being overwhelmed in some states, it must be pretty grim.
Add into the mix this so-called "double mutate Indian variant", which has already surfaced in the UK, and is currently designated a “variant under investigation”, but according to reports, is a candidate for becoming a "variant of concern" pretty soon, it's shit all round.
APR 17, 2021
“We have collapsed, Maharashtra is sinking and other states will follow.”
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
India is still a rural and poor country with a population of 1.2 Billion people.
Once something like this takes hold, unless they wield an iron fist like China did, preventing people from even leaving the house, how can this be stopped?
I'm pretty sure India doesn't have anywhere near the medical capacity to deal with this apart from vaccination.
Right now, all the above really re-inforces how much India needs to hang on to, and use, ALL the capacity of the Serum Institute in Pune
spring-peeper
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You know you are in trouble when aljazeera does an article on you.
Our provincial leader, Doug Ford, is upset about the covid numbers, and introduced new measures.
Stay at home policy was extended by several weeks.
Cops will stop and question you if you are outside your house. You must provide id and given valid reason.
Bunch of stuff closed. Playgrouds, tennis and golf were now off limits.
And the backlash....
Police forces refused to card anyone. It would go against the constitution.
Backlast against children playing on the swings was massive. Ford backed down.
and... the article -> Ontario’s COVID crisis: ‘This scenario was entirely preventable’
Our provincial leader, Doug Ford, is upset about the covid numbers, and introduced new measures.
Stay at home policy was extended by several weeks.
Cops will stop and question you if you are outside your house. You must provide id and given valid reason.
Bunch of stuff closed. Playgrouds, tennis and golf were now off limits.
And the backlash....
Police forces refused to card anyone. It would go against the constitution.
Backlast against children playing on the swings was massive. Ford backed down.
and... the article -> Ontario’s COVID crisis: ‘This scenario was entirely preventable’
