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The Danish study didn't say masks have little benefit. It did say this (a direct quote from the publication):
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StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Just took a look at the world-o-meters tally (16:30 GMT on 3rd December 2020).
fuck me, they're bad, very bad.
65 million plus cases
1.5 million plus dead.
The new cases graph has leveled off, but at a figure in excess of 500k a day ...
Looking at the national totals, as the UK passed 60,000 dead today.
Iran has today joined the 1 million case club (the 14th member, after Poland became the 13th a few days ago)
USA leads the table with over 14.3 cases (and 280,210 deaths).
I didn't have the heart/nerve to look in any greater detail.
fuck me, they're bad, very bad.
65 million plus cases
1.5 million plus dead.
The new cases graph has leveled off, but at a figure in excess of 500k a day ...
Looking at the national totals, as the UK passed 60,000 dead today.
Iran has today joined the 1 million case club (the 14th member, after Poland became the 13th a few days ago)
USA leads the table with over 14.3 cases (and 280,210 deaths).
I didn't have the heart/nerve to look in any greater detail.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
COVID-19 has now killed 4 times more than malaria did last year and more than tuberculosis as well
Someone is dying from covid every 9 seconds apparently.
www.theguardian.com
Someone is dying from covid every 9 seconds apparently.
Italy imposes Christmas travel curbs – as it happened
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Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Can confirm that Western Australia has had no community transmission since April. The State was going to re-open the border to people from NSW and Victoria next week (they currently have to quarantine for 14 days), but this is now under discussion because there was one case of Covid in Sydney this week, from a cleaner in a quarantine hotel who took public transport while infected. So if that causes a cluster, the border will stay shut. The border is open to people from TAS, QLD, ACT and NT though. For now anyway, SA aren't allowed to enter yet.
Supine
Newt Member
ice-is-forming
let me rephrase that... Fuck off
The company I work for is based in Perth, that's where the directors and managers are. It's been great knowing that none of them are gonna turn up unannounced in our queensland office since March. But next week the head honcho is flying over. Que panic, tidying up and people looking for their 'corporate' clothes and enclosed shoes
teuchter
je suis teuchter
A couple of things of note...
- UK appears to be doing better than EU average at present (in contrast to the first wave)
- What's happened to Switzerland?
- There's a bunch of eastern european countries suffering death rates that are substantially worse than what UK had during the first wave.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Errrr, my boss is flying Perth to Cairns tomorrow for the first time since March ‘to sort them all out’ as he puts it.
ice-is-forming
let me rephrase that... Fuck off
Hahah, not me I'm in Hervey bay but I imagine our WA based bosses saying the same
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's OK, Pfizer has it covered with Viagra.
If they worked out how to combine Viagra with Vaccine-gra in a single pill
, that would surely be the most obvious way to improve take-up of the latter 
Switzerland? Ski season?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Explanation for all three of these will partly be how bad the country's first wave was. There will have been a degree of 'harvesting' in the UK and elsewhere during the first wave, and there will also now be a degree of community protection from people with antibodies, which will reduce the R number. Italy, of course, has had it bad both times, but if you zoom in on Italy's figures, the very worst hit places in the first wave like Bergamo aren't as bad this time, while parts of the south that missed the first wave have caught the second.
It is also probable that the virus has become more contagious. Will be interesting to see antibody test results after the second wave - they're likely to show very high levels in places like Czechia.
A mutation may have made COVID-19 more contagious
Because of this mutation, it could well be that people who were resistant to infection when exposed to it in the first wave are vulnerable to it in this one, which helps to explain the patterns of infection in previously affected places.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Seems a bit early for that. If the ski resorts are opening up now, then maybe you'd expect to see a spike in a few weeks. But the graph suggests that something started to happen more than a month ago.
elbows
Well-Known Member
As far as I know they relaxed stuff early after the first wave, and were slow to tighten restrictions again, and resistant to many of them, once it was clear they were experiencing rather a large and widespread second wave.
I dont currently have a nice article to explain all this. I have little bits of the jigsaw in articles like these:
June:
Switzerland eased lockdown measures too soon, warns top official
The head of the Swiss Covid-19 taskforce has warned that the lifting of lockdown restrictions last Friday was premature.
www.swissinfo.ch
Late October:
COVID second wave floods Swiss hospitals - Riverine Herald
Swiss hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed by coronavirus cases as a second wave of infections sweeps the country.
www.riverineherald.com.au
As for ski resorts, there has been conflict between many European countries like Germany, Italy and France that were keen to shut such things, and some other countries that wanted to keep that stuff going. Switzerlands bad attitude towards pandemic regulations is probably visible in stories about that, eg:
December:
Switzerland riles Alpine neighbours by keeping its ski resorts open | Financial Times
Wealthy nation refuses to follow EU and close its pistes to stop spread of coronavirus
elbows
Well-Known Member
I disagree, since the G614 version of the virus has been very widespread for a long time. It made up a significant proportion of first wave cases in many places, eg the following charts, where the mutation version you mention is in blue:
And I havent seen any suggestions that the mutation had a negative effect on the immunity picture. eg:
from G614 - the coronavirus strain that will challenge vaccines. (misleading clickbait title)
We still dont know enough about the immunity picture, and all manner of possibilities exist including the possibility that immune responses to some of the other human coronaviruses may lead to temporary protections against the pandemic virus. If that was the case and some places had other coronavirus outbreaks in the months leading up to the pandemic, a chunk of their populations could have been protected the first time in a way that has since worn off. I dont bet much on any such possibility actually being the case, just that it remains part of the theoretical picture unless later ruled out through increased knowledge.
I certainly dont keel like I need some additional immunity factor to explain what has happened. Because level and geographical spread of infection in the runup to initial large wave of infections, timing and detail of lockdown, timing of easing of restrictions, quality of infection surveillance, size of care homes and the extent to which they were isolated from he pandemic, and timing of reintroduction of measures to cope with 2n wave, and how strong they are seems mostly quite sufficient to explain what has happened in different places all the way through. And even in regions that were badly affected the first time, we are still only talking about fractions of those populations being infected in the first wave and having immunity as a result. No shortage of people without immunity, and many questions remaining about how long that immunity lasts. This doesn't mean that I think there is no interesting immunity picture that is part of the story, just that it isn't absolutely necessary in order to explain whats happened so far, and when discussed it is easy to give it a more prominent role despite a lack of actual supporting evidence that its made much difference.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
COVID-19 vaccine: UK regulators warn people with history of 'significant' allergic reactions not to have Pfizer/BioNTech jab
The Pfizer jab was approved for use last week by the regulator and was rolled out in hospitals on Tuesday.
Ah FUCK.
THat rules me out now.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
COVID-19 vaccine: UK regulators warn people with history of 'significant' allergic reactions not to have Pfizer/BioNTech jab
The Pfizer jab was approved for use last week by the regulator and was rolled out in hospitals on Tuesday.www.google.com
Ah FUCK.
THat rules me out now.
Don't worry, other vaccines are coming soon.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Don't worry, other vaccines are coming soon.
Depends.
If its the RNA itself then that rules out a lot more vaccines.
If its the delivery method (solution) then maybe other vaccines will have different solutions.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The Oxford vaccine doesn't use RNA, and that should be approved soon.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Well people who volunteer for vaccine / drug trials tend not to be people with allergies and underlying health conditions.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Not strictly true, the trials have to have some of them on for validity from what I've been told. There seem to have been plenty on the trial I am on.
The allergic reactions weren't as severe as anaphylactic reaction, and expect it'll be very hard to know what bit of the vaccine or process might have triggered it.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Yes..I did mention that the solution could be the allergen..
I was watching an expert on RTE today who did say that the trials tended to involve people who are young and quite healthy and that people who have allergies and underlying conditions did not seem to get involved in the trials...for obvious reasons. Its the same reason they are leaving pregnant women out of the vaccine...because they have no reference to what can happen as no pregnant women were involved in trials.
I will be waiting for the Oxford vaccine. I really want to be given a vaccine but I do have a very odd immune system and it has tried to kill me a few times.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Its not an RNA vaccine.
I'm just looking down the line to see what might be ok for someone who has immune issues.
I don't have any extra info...just that I will have to wait and see.
