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[wemakeyousoundb]

French equivalent of SAGE:
second wave is going to be worse than the first, current estimate 100 000 infections a day (with 50 000 positive tests results)
recommends a longer much wider curfew for a fortnight and if n umbers are not headed in the right direction then another lockdown
or have an immediate lockdown not as strict as the one earlier this year followed by an easing period with curfew.
"The quicker we act the more effective it will be" "This wave in spreading across Europe, it will last weeks or up to two months"
Le Monde article in French with a lot more quotes for the french readers amongst you.

 

[elbows]

Belgiums hospital data looks especially bad.

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[wemakeyousoundb]

Yep, and there too the politicians are not doing the needed lockdown because: the economy.
Same story all round it seems :/

 

[planetgeli]

Belgiums hospital data looks especially bad.

Speaking of Belgium.

Doctors with Covid-19 asked to keep working in Liege hospitals

Several hospitals in Belgium have requested that doctors and nurses who test positive for Covid-19, continue to work if they have no symptoms.

The decision has been made by 10 hospitals in Liege, which are dealing with a surge in coronavirus admissions.

The city is one of the worst affected areas of Europe and hospitals have started transferring patients elsewhere and cancelled all non-urgent surgery.

The situation is exacerbated by a lack of doctors and nurses available.

A quarter of medical staff in Liege are reported to be off work with Covid-19. But another 10% of staff who have tested positive but are asymptomic have been asked to continue working.

The president of the Belgian Association of Medical Unions, Dr Philippe Devos, acknowledged the obvious risk of transferring the virus to patients, but says they’ve been left with no choice in order to avoid the hospital system collapsing within days.

 

[elbows]

When the dust settles on this pandemic, I expect questions to be asked about what exactly it is that we are saving when doing absolutely fucking idiotic things to prevent hospital systems from collapsing. Save the NHS, die at home, or die in a care home that took infected patient, etc etc etc.

 

[frogwoman]

Mexico admits Covid death toll much higher than official number

Disease now suspected of killing at least 139,153 people compared with official toll of 88,924

www.theguardian.com

 

[teuchter]

Back when there used to be noises about how Germany controlled the virus in the first wave using contact tracing, I warned that even in Germany it had its limits, and I had seen at least one report that Germany had to abandon the contact tracing approach during the busiest phase of first wave infections. I never got confirmation of that though, so I wasnt too sure of those facts.

Anyway this time around I jsut saw something similar:



39m ago 11:56

I am watching Germany with interest too.

 

[Hyperdark]

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[Yossarian]

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Scary - I think the government would much prefer the data to be presented in a way that makes it look like they're doing a good job.

 

[Hyperdark]

Yes...when you look at the countries doing worse than us it's France that hits me as the surprising one, though they are of course more touchy feely than us Brits (well the older ones anyway)

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Yes...when you look at the countries doing worse than us it's France that hits me as the surprising one, though they are of course more touchy feely than us Brits (well the older ones anyway)

I don't know how it is these days but before I moved here the standard greetings between friends was between 2 and 5 cheek kisses depending on which region you were in.

 

[teuchter]

Seems to me that we're back in a situation where (unfortunately) the numbers are high enough that we can use deaths as a meaningful indicator of how things are going. Obviously not well in Eastern Europe. Czechia seem to be on a trajectory that's about the same as the UK's first wave.

 

[teuchter]

Yes...when you look at the countries doing worse than us it's France that hits me as the surprising one, though they are of course more touchy feely than us Brits (well the older ones anyway)

France and the UK have followed a pretty similar path right the way through as far as the overall numbers are concerned. The main difference is really only that they managed to drop out of the first wave more quickly. At the moment it doesn't seem like either country is doing obviously better or worse than the other.

 

[frogwoman]

Fuck sake, on the worldometers chart today there have been 6947 deaths worldwide whereas last Tuesday there was 6178. I know a lot of this happened from the weekend but its still absolutely horrible and quite surreal with all the other bullshit going on.

 

[planetgeli]

Highlights from first term science and technology accomplishments in the U.S




Covid beaten. Trump wins.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

 

[Buddy Bradley]

France and the UK have followed a pretty similar path right the way through as far as the overall numbers are concerned. The main difference is really only that they managed to drop out of the first wave more quickly. At the moment it doesn't seem like either country is doing obviously better or worse than the other.

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What is Sweden doing differently this time around to avoid the resurgence the rest of Europe is experiencing?

 

[frogwoman]

Their stats are released cumulatively

 

[frogwoman]

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Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

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See here, they don't release them all on one day. If you look at the last week the curve is the same as other countries. And Swedish friends are living under tighter restrictions

 

[frogwoman]

They attracted a bit of criticism for this approach last time as it was thought the authorities were trying to make it look better than it was, I think it's just the way they do things in Sweden though.

 

[two sheds]

Their stats are released cumulatively

non-cumulatively?

 

[teuchter]

What is Sweden doing differently this time around to avoid the resurgence the rest of Europe is experiencing?

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It wouldn't be quite true to say the "rest of Europe".

I don't think your graphs shows deaths.

There are other countries aside from Sweden who so far haven't seen a big "second wave" rise in deaths. Norway, Denmark, Germany for example.

 

[teuchter]

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

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See here, they don't release them all on one day. If you look at the last week the curve is the same, see here. And Swedish friends are living under tighter restrictions

Doesn't make any difference if you are looking at the 1-week average. There's no doubt that as far as deaths are concerned, they are currently doing loads better than the UK. They aren't unique in that though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They attracted a bit of criticism for this approach last time as it was thought the authorities were trying to make it look better than it was, I think it's just the way they do things in Sweden though.

tbh I think we all get a bit carried away with checking the daily updates (I do!), but calmer heads (elbows ) know to wait a week or two for the true picture to emerge before saying too much. That's true for everywhere, not just Sweden.

 

[frogwoman]

No they release it in such a way as the previous days stats aren't the complete ones. You need to look at what it was a week ago.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, you need to know each country's patterns. UK has its Tuesday catch-up. Spain has a catch-up from the autonomous regions on Fridays. France has periodic corrections. And all the 'daily' figures are in reality spread out across the previous few days and weeks in any case.

 

[2hats]

Highlights from first term science and technology accomplishments in the U.S


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Covid beaten. Trump wins.

Reassuring to see that Ivanka is advising the tangerine shitgibbon on science and technology.

 

[two sheds]

while advising the Dems on ethics

 

[frogwoman]

Iran's outbreak looks totally out of control

 

[frogwoman]

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