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[David Clapson]

If that number is reliable, what can it tell us? Maybe we can get a mortality rate by looking at Spain's total excess deaths. I can't see that number here but maybe someone else can spot it Coronavirus: England's 'excess deaths' among the highest in Europe

Edit: I found a number for excess deaths in Spain: 30,692. Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries Crunch that with the number of people who've had it, 2 million, and you get a mortality rate of 1.5%. Obviously there are about a zillion caveats to this number, but still.

 

[Ahlan]

But the original comment was about number of people infected and your graph relates to covid deaths. Russia has a somewhat surprising (highly suspicious) death rate compared to infections.

Given how clumsy their doctors are when near windows and how antiquated and downright dangerous their ventilators are I'd be surprised if the Russian hospitals are doing that much of a better job of keeping people alive.

Sorry, what are you on about.? From my experience Russia has a brilliant health care system..
Why do you doubt their numbers?
Germany also has irregular looking national death rate statistics compares to the uk, do you not believe them either?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Germany also has better looking national statistics than the uk, why believe them and not Russia?

Are you fucking serious?

 

[Ahlan]

Are you fucking serious?

Yes. Why ask?

 

[Ahlan]

Are you fucking serious?

Cuba; worth trusting their reporting credentials regarding health care?

 

[Reno]

Why is every new member who joined recently some deranged troll ?

 

[Ahlan]

Why is every new member who joined recently some deranged troll ?

Are you referring to me?

 

[yield]

Why is every new member who joined recently some deranged troll ?

Keep wondering if it's just I spend more time on here? Does seem to be a lot more?

 

[yield]

Cuba; worth trusting their reporting credentials regarding health care?

No, why? Are you a communist?

 

[miss direct]

Here in Turkey, children under 14 were allowed out today for the first time in seven weeks. I stayed at home. Hope they all had a nice time - heard some worrying stories about groups gathering, so hopefully we won't see a rise in cases in a few weeks. About to pass 4,000 deaths here. Very strange that things are getting somewhat back to normal while we still have a four day full on lock down from midnight on Friday until midnight on Tuesday next week Getting really fed up, but IF the numbers are accurate, they've not done too bad a job here, especially when compared to the UK.

 

[Ahlan]

No, why?

Why bother trusting any nation's statistics then?

Are you a communist?

Possibly

 

[two sheds]

Keep wondering if it's just I spend more time on here? Does seem to be a lot more?

Lockdown, they're bored

 

[Saul Goodman]

Here in Turkey, children under 14 were allowed out today for the first time in seven weeks.

I hope they've all been told to leave the virus outside the house when they return home.

 

[frogwoman]

High SARS-CoV-2 Attack Rate Following Exposure at a Choir Practice ...

On March 17, 2020, a member of a Skagit County, Washington, choir informed Skagit County Public Health (SCPH) that several members of the 122-member choir had become ill.

www.cdc.gov

After attending choir with one infected person 87% of participants developed COVID-19

 

[Reno]

Are you referring to me?

Well spottet. I didn't want to use the word "cunt" again, so for a change I used the word "troll". Sorry if that had you confused.

 

[Ahlan]

Well spottet. I didn't want to use the word "cunt" again, so for a change I used the word "troll". Sorry if that had you confused.

Spotted

Wow! You're a charmer.
Any particular reason why you're being so aggressive?

 

[Humberto]

Cos nobody likes or trusts Putin. And you're brand new here probably.

 

[Yossarian]

Russia's system is so good, doctors are given free flying lessons.

Why are Russian coronavirus doctors mysteriously falling out of windows?

The three main theories, explained.

www.vox.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think a massive dose of skepticism has to be employed with figures all over the world. Due to an abysmal lack of testing, nearly all countries case figures do not reflect reality. And due to abysmal politics, some countries death figures also don't come close to reality.

Russia and Java interest me because their populations are near identical (144 million and 141 million). Their comparative population density figures are astonishing. 8.4 vs 940 people per sq. km.

I know it's generally accepted SE Asia is not as badly affected by Covid as much of the rest of the world but I can't believe the figures for Java anymore than I can accept those Russian figures. FWIW, Russia has some 230,000 cases and about 2,000 deaths. Java has about 10,000 identified cases and less than 1,000 deaths.

None of it particularly adds up does it?

If Russia's figures are to be believed, they're testing shit-loads, though. It could be a similar story to early Germany, with lots of positive tests but few deaths, one of the reasons being that the average age of those tested is far lower than in places where they only test the very sick.

Russia was also hit relatively late, so, again like Germany, its figures could rise a fair bit in the coming weeks, while still staying relatively low. And they may actually be protecting the old, I don't know. The thing about the mortality rate of c-19 is that it varies hugely by age. It makes more sense to talk of mortality rates rather than rate. Among healthy younger people, figures from healthcare workers in Ireland and elsewhere suggest a mortality rate among those testing positive who are young and healthy that is as low as 0.1 per cent. Among over-80s, it's more than 100 times that rate.

 

[Ahlan]

Russia's system is so good, doctors are given free flying lessons.

Why are Russian coronavirus doctors mysteriously falling out of windows?

The three main theories, explained.

www.vox.com

Is that really a reliable news site and does it prove we cant trust the russian data? It's not like they're hiding the fact that there's an issue there. They're reporting >10k cases a day

 

[Saul Goodman]

They're reporting >10k cases a day

It's remarkable how few of those are dying, comparatively.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's remarkable how few of those are dying, comparatively.

It's not so mysterious if their testing regime is to be believed. If they really have done 6 million tests, then they're not telling people with symptoms to stay at home like the UK did.

Assuming for a second that the number of tests they are reporting is correct, they've already overtaken Germany, which was lauded for testing early and often.

Another comparison with Germany, which was testing a lot but not quite as much:

When Germany hit 2,000 dead, it had around 110,000 cases. If Russia is testing more than twice as much as Germany was then (it's something in the order of 4 times as much, in fact), which it is if its figures for testing are to be believed, it's not so unbelievable that they should be finding twice as many cases for the same overall number infected.

 

[Ahlan]

It's remarkable how few of those are dying, comparatively.

As little Baby Jesus pointed out, they have the huge advantage of being inflicted later than other nations and have had the luxury of being able to apply best practice.
And their (national) health service is second to none.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Also, wait a week or two before making too hasty a judgement. It takes time for people to die.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As little Baby Jesus pointed out, they have the huge advantage of being inflicted later than other nations and have had the luxury of being able to apply best practice.
And their (national) health service is second to none.

It's a country with massive socio-economic inequality. I wouldn't praise the healthcare system of a country with life expectancy of 72 and infant mortality of nearly 6 per 1000 too hard. It's not just about having shiny flagship facilities. It's also about access.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Assuming for a second that the number of tests they are reporting is correct

Therein lies the problem. I tend to take their figures with the entire contents of an Okhotsk salt mine. They may well be correct but Russia has quite a history of being economical with the truth.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Therein lies the problem. I tend to take their figures with the entire contents of an Okhotsk salt mine. They may well be correct but Russia has quite a history of being economical with the truth.

Sure. But which bits are we disbelieving if they're claiming shitloads of testing as well as shitloads of positive tests? It does at least make sense that they're conducting shitloads of tests if they're finding so many new cases.

I agree about being cautious, but I don't think their current official numbers are necessarily preposterous.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Sure. But which bits are we disbelieving

I guess I'm at the stage where if they said fire burns, I'd have to stick my hand in one to make sure.

 

[Humberto]

I guess I'm at the stage where if they said fire burns, I'd have to stick my hand in one to make sure.

what polonium?

 

[Marty1]

I guess I'm at the stage where if they said fire burns, I'd have to stick my hand in one to make sure.

Putin your hand into a fire is never advisable.