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[weltweit]

Real time tracking of the virus numbers below:

Coronavirus Dashboard

Live coronavirus dashboard tracker. See real-time data, social media trends, and learn about prevention measures.

coronaworld.eu

It is pretty much the same information that is on:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 123,838,954 Cases and 2,727,153 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

But on worldometers you can sort the data by whichever column you want.

 

[elbows]

For all the talk of "second wave" of this virus and what happened in 1918-19, its somewhere like Gaza - with a younger population that is already pretty cordoned off from the outside world but is living in really close proximity to each other - that is the perfect place for this virus to mutate to a much more deadly form.

They really have to be helped now or this time is going to be one that is looked back fondly upon in a few years.

No. There are reasons to be concerned for Gaza, but it being more likely to be a source of mutations is not one of them. The mutation stuff is a pandemic cliche anyway, one with aspects of truth, but simplified and exaggerated over decades. The underlying truths sadly end up supporting layers of absolute humbug.

 

[weltweit]

Well Italy now stands at 6820 deaths this means that more than twice the deaths in the whole of China have now occurred in Italy.

And Spain up 489 today to 2800 is fast following Italy.

Europe really is a basket case at the moment.

I think we desperately need to learn the lessons from China.

 

[xes]

Well Italy now stands at 6820 deaths this means that more than twice the deaths in the whole of China have now occurred in Italy.

And Spain up 489 today to 2800 is fast following Italy.

Europe really is a basket case at the moment.

I think we desperately need to learn the lessons from China.

I think the numbers from China are iffy at best. Just from the amount of time the cremation furnaces were running. The videos from January and the response, do not match the numbers.

 

[elbows]

Well Italy now stands at 6820 deaths this means that more than twice the deaths in the whole of China have now occurred in Italy.

And Spain up 489 today to 2800 is fast following Italy.

Europe really is a basket case at the moment.

I think we desperately need to learn the lessons from China.

There can easily be 10 days-3 weeks lag between actions we do now to slow the spread/reduce transmission, and starting to see the results in various bits of data.

So even with somewhere like Italy which is well ahead of us, they are only just entering the period where they hope to see changes in the data, first in one sort of data (eg cases) then later in another (deaths). And even when these periods are entered, sometimes need to wait a while to gather enough of that data to see trends clearly and unmistakably.

So we cannot yet judge whether the impact that measures taken by the likes of Italy in the past are enough, or whether they need to go still further.

 

[donkyboy]

I think we desperately need to learn the lessons from China.

its easy when you are a one party state to enforce rules and crack down hard on rule breakers. dont obey and you disappear...

 

[weltweit]

its easy when you are a one party state to enforce rules and crack down hard on rule breakers. dont obey and you disappear...

It wasn't just rules, although they did establish social isolation quickly, once the seriousness of the situation was apparent, they threw massive resources at defeating this virus, they imported masses of medics into Hubei, the army built two massive hospitals giving them an extra 2500 beds, they vigorously contact traced (I believe), they tested a lot, and they deployed volumes of ventilators and blood oxygenation machines into Wuhan and Hubei.

 

[donkyboy]

It wasn't just rules, although they did establish social isolation quickly, once the seriousness of the situation was apparent, they threw massive resources at defeating this virus, they imported masses of medics into Hubei, the army built two massive hospitals giving them an extra 2500 beds, they vigorously contact traced (I believe), they tested a lot, and they deployed volumes of ventilators and blood oxygenation machines into Wuhan and Hubei.

try building temporary hospitals here without planning permission first and no health and safety regulations. the chinese bussed in workers from all over china who worked through the night. never gonna happen in the west.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Well Italy now stands at 6820 deaths this means that more than twice the deaths in the whole of China have now occurred in Italy.

And Spain up 489 today to 2800 is fast following Italy.

Europe really is a basket case at the moment.

I think we desperately need to learn the lessons from China.

Mass surveillance, overwhelming dictatorship and locking the infected away in unsafe hospitals?

It's easy to fix a pandemic when your a brutal regime led by murderers.

 

[MrSki]

Sorry not read the whole thread but have we had this yet?

 

[Saul Goodman]

No. There are reasons to be concerned for Gaza, but it being more likely to be a source of mutations is not one of them. The mutation stuff is a pandemic cliche anyway, one with aspects of truth, but simplified and exaggerated over decades. The underlying truths sadly end up supporting layers of absolute humbug.

Mutations are as the name implies... mutations. They can happen anywhere and anytime. Geography doesn't dictate it. (not arguing with you)

 

[Saul Goodman]

I think the numbers from China are iffy at best. Just from the amount of time the cremation furnaces were running. The videos from January and the response, do not match the numbers.

I believe the numbers from China like I believe... something else I don't believe. They just don't add up (in my mind).

 

[xes]

I believe the numbers from China like I believe... something else I don't believe. They just don't add up (in my mind).

Not even close to it unfortunately. We'll soon find out to what extent they covered it up, I guess. I've seen crazy numbers taken from how many mobile numbers have been switched off since it began. But there could be several reasons for numbers like that. (14 and half million near enough)

 

[zahir]

Enforcement of the lockdown in Greece:

More than 766 lockdown violations across Greece in the first 36 hours - Keep Talking Greece

Systematic checks conducted by the Greek Police on the first 36 hours of the total lockdown found th

www.keeptalkinggreece.com

 

[mauvais]

There can easily be 10 days-3 weeks lag between actions we do now to slow the spread/reduce transmission, and starting to see the results in various bits of data.

So even with somewhere like Italy which is well ahead of us, they are only just entering the period where they hope to see changes in the data, first in one sort of data (eg cases) then later in another (deaths). And even when these periods are entered, sometimes need to wait a while to gather enough of that data to see trends clearly and unmistakably.

So we cannot yet judge whether the impact that measures taken by the likes of Italy in the past are enough, or whether they need to go still further.

Can you explain why three weeks, out of interest?

I understand the individual time delays: symptoms to potential death is about 8 days, and I understand that contact to symptoms (incubation) is maybe 5 days. But are you saying there is some social factor that further delays consequences?

Why can't we look at case numbers (assuming a constant measuring method in a particular country) and get an idea of what's working?

 

[editor]

The Citymapper Mobility Index is interesting stuff - it shows the % of city moving compared to usual (based on their own app usage)

2 weeks ago London was at 83%, 36% a week ago and 25% yesterday.
Milan has been stuck at 4% for a week., while Barcelona has gone from 61% to 5% in two weeks.

Citymapper Mobility Index comes to an end

Read more >

citymapper.com

 

[elbows]

Can you explain why three weeks, out of interest?

I understand the individual time delays: symptoms to potential death is about 8 days, and I understand that contact to symptoms (incubation) is maybe 5 days. But are you saying there is some social factor that further delays consequences?

Why can't we look at case numbers (assuming a constant measuring method in a particular country) and get an idea of what's working?

I dont know precisely. 3 weeks was the figure the Imperial College report used, and that Johnson likely used as his basis for reviewing UK lockdown measures in 3 weeks. But I'm aware of other sorts of lag in terms of the human view of the epidemics in particular locations, and many of those are more like 2 weeks (or less). So I used a range of somewhere between these.

One reason the period needed to really see the effects is longer than you were expecting may well be because the effects may not be expected to be pronounced enough to spot in a single generation of transmission. If you reduce things so that one person is now more likely to infect one and a quarter other people after lockdown than 2 and a half other people with no lockdown, that makes a really large difference after multiple generations of transmission, but it looks like quite a small effect at the start. Especially since in countries under terrible pressure from this virus already, it may only be serious cases they are detecting, and those cases only make up a small fraction of total infections. So our view of trends is further limited, making it even more likely we have to wait for bigger effects to happen before we can accurately spot them and their new trajectories.

 

[2hats]

Can you explain why three weeks, out of interest?

Up to 14 days to develop symptoms from time of exposure, followed by around 7 days to realise whether you are in deep shit or not.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Obviously there are major differences between countries in terms of both their testing policies and their reporting, but Germany is developing into an interesting outlier potentially. If figures are correct (and the initial figures are being revised, I've noticed), they've now reported a massive number of recoveries such that the massive rise in current cases may be levelling out, perhaps, while the reported deaths remain relatively tiny.

The stats are puzzling at the moment. Germany may not be hurtling towards Italy-style disaster, but S Korea-style containment.

Am I right in saying that Germany and S Korea have done far more tests than other places? It appears the Germans may have learned the lessons quicker than others, and that the message should be test test test.

 

[Azrael]

Obviously there are major differences between countries in terms of both their testing policies and their reporting, but Germany is developing into an interesting outlier potentially. If figures are correct (and the initial figures are being revised, I've noticed), they've now reported a massive number of recoveries such that the massive rise in current cases may be levelling out, perhaps, while the reported deaths remain relatively tiny.

The stats are puzzling at the moment. Germany may not be hurtling towards Italy-style disaster, but S Korea-style containment.

Am I right in saying that Germany and S Korea have done far more tests than other places? It appears the Germans may have learned the lessons quicker than others, and that the message should be test test test.

Believe so. Would also love to know what Germany's using in her antiviral cocktail: the South Korean protocol's been public knowledge for weeks, but incredibly hard to find info from Germany. Lots of talk about her astronomical number of ventilators, but she was reporting very few critical cases, making that something of a red herring (while being vital as a backup). If it's not early detection and drugs, along with everyone else, desperate to know what it is.

 

[agricola]

Not even close to it unfortunately. We'll soon find out to what extent they covered it up, I guess. I've seen crazy numbers taken from how many mobile numbers have been switched off since it began. But there could be several reasons for numbers like that. (14 and half million near enough)

 

[agricola]

Believe so. Would also love to know what Germany's using in her antiviral cocktail: the South Korean protocol's been public knowledge for weeks, but incredibly hard to find info from Germany. Lots of talk about her astronomical number of ventilators, but she was reporting very few critical cases, making that something of a red herring (while being vital as a backup). If it's not early detection and drugs, along with everyone else, desperate to know what it is.

if its sauerkraut and kimchi there is going to be so much flatulence in the world for the next decade

 

[Saul Goodman]

It does seem very tinfoil hatty but those numbers from China just don't add up. One of the most densely populated places on the planet, and the virus suddenly decided to stop... I think not. Far more likely that the Chinese Government decided that that's the official stance.

 

[Azrael]

It does seem very tinfoil hatty but those numbers from China just don't add up. One of the most densely populated places on the planet, and the virus suddenly decided to stop... I think not. Far more likely that the Chinese Government decided that that's the official stance.

It didn't "just stop", Beijing threw every resource of the Chinese state into suppressing it, breaking the infection chains with lockdowns, contact tracing and quarantine until it was starved of hosts. This approach eliminated SARS in the general population back in 2004. It's too early to say it they've succeeded, but it's at least possible, and has worked before.

 

[Saul Goodman]

It didn't "just stop", Beijing threw every resource of the Chinese state into suppressing it, breaking the infection chains with lockdowns, contact tracing and quarantine until it was starved of hosts. This approach eliminated SARS in the general population back in 2004. It's too early to say it they've succeeded, but it's at least possible, and has worked before.

I still don't believe the figures. With a population density so high, (I reckon) it would be impossible to contain it within such a short time.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I dunno about the science stuff but while china has a massive population it's also a massive place, it's population density is well below UK

 

[Azrael]

I still don't believe the figures. With a population density so high, (I reckon) it would be impossible to contain it within such a short time.

It didn't infect all of China equally: it was mostly contained in Wuhan and Hubei Province, which are much lower numbers. Rest of China got aggressive quarantine measures imposed early, drastically limiting its ability to spread.

We can see similar dynamics in other Asian countries that're open societies, with Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore preventing outbreaks, and South Korea reversing one.

 

[Yu_Gi_Oh]

It does seem very tinfoil hatty but those numbers from China just don't add up. One of the most densely populated places on the planet, and the virus suddenly decided to stop... I think not. Far more likely that the Chinese Government decided that that's the official stance.

Jesus. Would it make you feel better if that was true in some way?

They have not decided it's their official stance. I have never seen anything more serious than the controls here right now. It's really quite insulting to what the people of China have gone through in the last eight weeks to suggest the virus "just decided to stop".

This is the result of lockdowns, contact tracing, and shit loads of testing.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Jesus. Would it make you feel better if that was true in some way?

They have not decided it's their official stance. I have never seen anything more serious than the controls here right now. It's really quite insulting to what the people of China have gone through in the last eight weeks to suggest the virus "just decided to stop".

This is the result of lockdowns, contact tracing, and shit loads of testing.

Fine... I'll reserve judgement until...

 

[Azrael]

Jesus. Would it make you feel better if that was true in some way?

They have not decided it's their official stance. I have never seen anything more serious than the controls here right now. It's really quite insulting to what the people of China have gone through in the last eight weeks to suggest the virus "just decided to stop".

This is the result of lockdowns, contact tracing, and shit loads of testing.

Exactly, and it's been repeated in multiple countries with a variety of political systems. It's simply not credible that all are cooking the books. These methods have, to date, been far more successful than the West's woeful response. Who knows what the future holds, but we must do all we can to try and suppress Covid-19.