Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[mauvais]

Oh yeah, I think it has specific uses, I just don't see that it's a complete game changer.

 

[bimble]

If they stick thousands of these in boots shops throughout the land I hope they come with very clear instructions of what to do with either result.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Yeah, there seems to be some optimism that this can lead to systemic change. Look how a lot of people have behaved during this crisis though. We'll be back to full on raging capitalism within a year or so of the pandemic being under control. We've seen that people just care about the here and now. I think there'll be a lot of Guardian articles about the new Post-Corona world - but it won't be much more than a interesting dinner party talking point.

In the UK, maybe, where we're basically happy to be told what to do, but in places like Brazil I think the consequences could be much larger.

 

[Orang Utan]

In the UK, maybe, where we're basically happy to be told what to do, but in places like Brazil I think the consequences could be much larger.

are we? doesn't look like it so far, and Brazil elected a fascist, who famously like telling people what to do

 

[Favelado]

In the UK, maybe, where we're basically happy to be told what to do, but in places like Brazil I think the consequences could be much larger.

Brazil has so many different factors at play, It would be very hard to guess how things will pan out. A return to power by Lula or someone of his ilk may ultimately lead to the Brunozinhos and Patricinhas getting all angry again and some kind of counter-counter-reaction. The anger at Bolsonaro wouldn't mean a healing of the schism between right and left - just different leaders.

O Brazil nao é para principiantes (Brazil is not for beginners) - Tom Jobim

 

[Teaboy]

Oh yeah, I think it has specific uses, I just don't see that it's a complete game changer.

Agreed. Its not a game changer but its part of the start of the solution.

 

[cupid_stunt]

At last some good news.

Coronavirus: Off-licences added to list of 'essential' retailers

Government updates list of shops allowed to open during the pandemic to include those selling alcohol.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Buddy Bradley]

are we? doesn't look like it so far, and Brazil elected a fascist, who famously like telling people what to do

Once the scientists started giving the orders we (mostly) fell into line, but Bolsonaro is still not even admitting there's a problem. Once he's killed millions of his own people, we'll see how electable he is.

 

[Favelado]

Once the scientists started giving the orders we (mostly) fell into line, but Bolsonaro is still not even admitting there's a problem. Once he's killed millions of his own people, we'll see how electable he is.

He has been startlingly shite even by his standards. Nice to see protests gaining momentum.

 

[platinumsage]

METHODS:
The details of patients presenting (with injuries sustained while surfboard/bodyboard riding) to the Emergency Department (ED) of the Royal Cornwall Hospital, Truro (UK), from September 2004 until August 2006 were recorded prospectively. The notes were then retrospectively reviewed by a senior ED physician. The records of each visit were scrutinized for date, age, sex, injury type, and injury severity and outcome; in addition, the patient's residential status (Cornish resident or visitor) was recorded.

RESULTS:
A total of 212 patient episodes were collected. Male patients represented 80% of injuries. The average age was 27 years (range, 11-66 years). Nonresident surfers represented 57% (121) of the patients, and 43% (91) of patients were local Cornwall residents. Of the total injuries, 90% (n = 190) were injuries that were minor/moderate (allowing for discharge after treatment)

= 9 non minor injuries amongst THE WHOLE RESIDENT CORNWALL SURF COMMUNITY....IN 2 YRS

Here's a message for you from Surfing England:

Coronavirus latest: Do not go Surfing - Surfing England

UPDATE: 24/03/2020 The Prime Minister made an urgent call to action last night and introduced new rules on staying at home and away from others, as well as new powers to enforce those rules. See www.gov.uk for the full breakdown. The message is clear. Don’t go surfing. None of us should be...

www.surfingengland.org

 

[PrincessIcepick]

At last some good news.

Coronavirus: Off-licences added to list of 'essential' retailers

Government updates list of shops allowed to open during the pandemic to include those selling alcohol.

www.bbc.co.uk

you joke {i hope) but my m8 works in a big wine seller and they have no ppe and are told they don't get paid if they sick aren't can't go in. he's got asthma too, it's fucked up imo.

 

[cupid_stunt]

you joke {i hope) but my m8 works in a big wine seller and they have no ppe and are told they don't get paid if they sick aren't can't go in. he's got asthma too, it's fucked up imo.

No, I am not joking, some people are dependent on alcohol, and it would be dangerous for them to be forced to give up overnight, because there's none in the supermarkets since the pub closures came. Others, whilst not dependent, will need a drink to help dealing with being forced to stay at home. It will also take some pressure of the supermarkets & smaller food outlets.

In case you hadn't noticed, PPE is not provided for the likes of those working in supermarkets, local shops, post offices, banks, etc.

Sorry to hear your mate has asthma, their employer should take that into consideration, but it's not a reason to starve the country of alcohol, resulting in health problems & deaths.

 

[LDC]

you joke {i hope) but my m8 works in a big wine seller and they have no ppe and are told they don't get paid if they sick aren't can't go in. he's got asthma too, it's fucked up imo.

They shouldn't be wearing PPE, it's more dangerous for them if they do. There's no need for it among the general population, and it's a limited resource too and needs to be saved for people at higher risk. AFAIK asthma, if it's at a mild level, is also not counted as among the conditions making you vulnerable.

 

[treelover]

To be fair other XR branches seem as horrified by this as everyone else on the planet View attachment 203239

a couple of people i know are coming out with stuff like this.

 

[PrincessIcepick]

the supermarkets sell alcohol though. surely the wine sellers don't need to be working too? and those workers you mentioned should be getting ppe too. i'm assuming its not ok with you that they aren't getting any?

At last some good news.

Coronavirus: Off-licences added to list of 'essential' retailers

Government updates list of shops allowed to open during the pandemic to include those selling alcohol.

www.bbc.co.uk

They shouldn't be wearing PPE, it's more dangerous for them if they do. There's no need for it among the general population, and it's a limited resource too and needs to be saved for people at higher risk. AFAIK asthma, if it's at a mild level, is also not counted as among the conditions making you vulnerable.

i mean like msks, hand sanitsier and gloves. they handling transported goods and deliveries.

 

[andysays]

Here's a message for you from Surfing England:

Coronavirus latest: Do not go Surfing - Surfing England

UPDATE: 24/03/2020 The Prime Minister made an urgent call to action last night and introduced new rules on staying at home and away from others, as well as new powers to enforce those rules. See www.gov.uk for the full breakdown. The message is clear. Don’t go surfing. None of us should be...

www.surfingengland.org

Charlie, don't surf

 

[treelover]

Coronavirus and Social Care
17th March, 2020

It is hard to overstate how important a plan for social care is in the ongoing public health crisis. Many people who rely on social care will be at particular risk from the coronavirus and we must do all we can to prevent them from becoming infected.
To limit the spread of the virus we must encourage and support anyone who has become infected to self-isolate. It is, therefore, imperative for the government to ensure that any care worker who has coronavirus symptoms can afford to take time off work.
Most care workers are on low wages and any fall in earnings can cause significant financial hardship for them and their families. Statutory sick pay, at £94.25 per week, is significantly lower than many care workers will regularly earn. Furthermore, workers with irregular hours may be unable to prove that they earn the £118 per week threshold to qualify for SSP.
To protect people who rely on social care, the government must urgently guarantee full pay for care workers who have coronavirus symptoms so that they can afford to self-isolate. No worker should have to choose between avoiding financial hardship and safeguarding public health
That’s why, along with other 100 other MPs, I have signed a joint letter to Matt Hancock that urges the government to guarantee full pay for social care workers who have to self-isolate.
We must get this right and I would urge the Government to work with users, relatives, the care sector, and trade unions to meet the needs of the social care system during this crisis – whether that is protective equipment or increased funding for staff and the wider system. As with the NHS, we must do whatever it takes to support social care.
It is not too late to act to plug the funding gap for adult social care and support the 1.2 million older people who currently have unmet needs. This can be solved and I am determined to ensure the voice of social care workers and users are heard.

from Louise Haigh's site, wish she was my MP

 

[cupid_stunt]

the supermarkets sell alcohol though. surely the wine sellers don't need to be working too?

Which part of 'SOLD OUT', do you not understand?

i mean like msks, hand sanitsier and gloves. they handling transported goods and deliveries.

Which part of 'SOLD OUT', do you not understand?

 

[LDC]

the supermarkets sell alcohol though. surely the wine sellers don't need to be working too? and those workers you mentioned should be getting ppe too. i'm assuming its not ok with you that they aren't getting any?


i mean like msks, hand sanitsier and gloves. they handling transported goods and deliveries.

Sanitizer yes, no gloves or masks though, they shouldn't be wearing them. I work in a hospital and I don't wear them ffs.

 

[BigTom]

Sanitizer yes, no gloves or masks though, they shouldn't be wearing them. I work in a hospital and I don't wear them ffs.

Why is it more dangerous to wear gloves or masks? Since they have to handle products that have been handled by customers, wouldn't regularly changed gloves protect them from infection from an infected customer (and help them to not touch their face)? And masks protect customers from being infected if the shop worker is, although I suppose the 2m distancing stops that anyway?

 

[PrincessIcepick]

Which part of 'SOLD OUT', do you not understand?



Which part of 'SOLD OUT', do you not understand?

i wonder if these businesses could come up with a solution that endangers the least amount of workers and allows them to pay their rent. might be better than us going "oh well, nothing to be done" and relaxing while they're feeling stressed about dieing.

 

[cantsin]

Here's a message for you from Surfing England:

Coronavirus latest: Do not go Surfing - Surfing England

UPDATE: 24/03/2020 The Prime Minister made an urgent call to action last night and introduced new rules on staying at home and away from others, as well as new powers to enforce those rules. See www.gov.uk for the full breakdown. The message is clear. Don’t go surfing. None of us should be...

www.surfingengland.org

yep, just seen this avo - guess it's about the distinction between ' walking out to the beach ' and ' driving for 7 mins / no stops etc along way ' - as I posted yday, govt advisor on Beeb yday said in response to a question from member of the public, driving " 5 miles " to get to an empty space for exercise is far preferrable to walking to a busy local park.

My reservations are based on optics / social cues ... lots of ( local ) surfers visibly hanging about will send the wrong message / could attract others to travel, however risk free the whole thing is - it hasn't happened yet ( v sparse numbers, and little hanging about ), but won't be going again anyway after a bit of a ding dong involving some Londoners ( who were supposed to be building one of the beach front houses ) and locals today, + the Surf England piece

 

[LDC]

Why is it more dangerous to wear gloves or masks? Since they have to handle products that have been handled by customers, wouldn't regularly changed gloves protect them from infection from an infected customer (and help them to not touch their face)? And masks protect customers from being infected if the shop worker is, although I suppose the 2m distancing stops that anyway?

Yes, a mask of some description might help them remember to not touch their face, but afaik evidence shows it creates a higher risk of infection if members of the public wear them generally, for a number of reasons. Gloves pretty much the same. And again, they're all in short supply.

Social distancing, don't touch your face, wash/sanitize your hands, social isolate if you have symptoms.

 

[ddraig]

FFS some people don't even know how much 1m is let alone 2!! had to shout at 3 lots of people in space of 10 mins

 

[BigTom]

Yes, a mask of some description might help them remember to not touch their face, but afaik evidence shows it creates a higher risk of infection if members of the public wear them generally, for a number of reasons. Gloves pretty much the same. And again, they're all in short supply.

Social distancing, don't touch your face, wash/sanitize your hands, social isolate if you have symptoms.

Cheers, I get the short supply thing, but thought that gloves in particular were really useful for reducing cross infection... if used properly - so is the issue that they are not used properly? Like I see food workers with gloves not changing them when handling cash which makes them totally pointless in terms of food hygiene stuff... or is it that with covid-19 specifically gloves aren't useful?

 

[treelover]

I hope that people's righteous anger about how capitalism and ruthless profiteering will translate into real social change after this all calms down.
Well, I can dream.

We Shouldn’t Go Back to the Way Things Were

Capitalism has always been the crisis.

www.teenvogue.com

In Teen Vogue, yes, Teen vogue

 

[treelover]

Meanwhile stupid people keep on being stupid

Did the police push it over?!

 

[Teaboy]

FFS some people don't even know how much 1m is let alone 2!! had to shout at 3 lots of people in space of 10 mins

I ventured to the supermarket today out of necessity. I was quite pleased with how many people were trying their best to give each other as much space as possible. I did notice three distinct demographics that were just ignoring the 2m thing completely. Firstly those 55+. It has been a bit of joke that this age group is bad for ignoring these instructions but it was really noticeable today. Secondly was posh mum with young kids in tow and lastly were people wearing masks. They seemed to get the closest, one bloke seemed to want to attach himself to me like a limpet.

People are strange.

 

[treelover]

This sounds like great news apart from the bit where if your test says you’ve had it’s just ‘likely’ that you’re immune so you can go happily about as if you’re safe.
What do you do with that just hope it’s true? i don’t know.

UK coronavirus home testing to be made available to millions

Test to be validated this week, then made available to healthcare workers and general public

www.theguardian.com

wonder how much they cost, GP thinks i am C19 positive.

 

[fishfinger]

Did the police push it over?!

It fell down the stairs.