Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[Brainaddict]

Broken promises and backpedaling already.

eta bunch of cunts. Probably going to try and get out of every promise they're making at the moment.

UK eviction ban promise broken, say critics

Coronavirus bill extends notice for possession from two to three months but government stresses no renter can be evicted

www.theguardian.com

Yeah, real scum. It's all very well saying posession proceedings can't begin, but people will still be being issued with Section 21 and Section 8 eviction notices as far as I can see. You can stay put for a bit, but with an eviction notice hanging over your head for the end of lockdown. What a load of shit.

 

[editor]

This is where the greed of landlord scum has led us, and it's causing more problems now because of the virus

Some landlords put basic cooking and washing facilities in rooms that are barely a few square metres in size so that they can do away even with a kitchen, let alone a living room. “While we all need, and like, time alone, we are basically social creatures – we enjoy company and need spaces that are conducive to relaxing with other people,” says Park. “That’s much easier in a room that is dedicated for that shared purpose. So we should be very concerned that it’s become so normal for HMOs not to provide a room for flatmates to socialise outside of their bedrooms.” There are concerns about the long-term impact of these homes on the wellbeing of tenants.

“It’s generally bad for our mental health to spend too much time in one space, and the quality of the space matters too – it’s even more damaging to spend long periods in a room that is very small or dark, for example,” says Park. “It’s also important to have different spaces for different activities – it doesn’t take long to feel cooped up.”

Nine out of 10 shared houses don’t have a living room. Here’s why we need them

Landlords are turning communal space into bedrooms, depriving tenants of somewhere to socialise. What does this mean for the health and happiness of Generation Rent?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Shechemite]

 

[xes]

Prince Charles has tested positive.

 

[Shechemite]

Prince Charles has tested positive.

Again?

 

[baldrick]

This is where the greed of landlord scum has led us, and it's causing more problems now because of the virus

Nine out of 10 shared houses don’t have a living room. Here’s why we need them

Landlords are turning communal space into bedrooms, depriving tenants of somewhere to socialise. What does this mean for the health and happiness of Generation Rent?

www.theguardian.com

It's fucking disgusting. Every time a large family home comes up for sale in my area landlords pounce and turn it into an HMO. There's a six bedroom home round the corner which is being turned into an 11 bedroom HMO. Lots of us objected but of course it's been approved. There are new regulations coming for the whole city but they're not here yet and in the meantime we're getting one of these planning notices through every few weeks. I could go on but things are depressing enough at the moment.

 

[editor]

It's fucking disgusting. Every time a large family home comes up for sale in my area landlords pounce and turn it into an HMO. There's a six bedroom home round the corner which is being turned into an 11 bedroom HMO. Lots of us objected but of course it's been approved. There are new regulations coming for the whole city but they're not here yet and in the meantime we're getting one of these planning notices through every few weeks. I could go on but things are depressing enough at the moment.

I hope that people's righteous anger about how capitalism and ruthless profiteering will translate into real social change after this all calms down.
Well, I can dream.

 

[ruffneck23]

I hope that people's righteous anger about how capitalism and ruthless profiteering will translate into real social change after this all calms down.
Well, I can dream.

I share that dream

 

[editor]

Meanwhile stupid people keep on being stupid

 

[xes]

Again?

Reinfection in lizards proven?

 

[Favelado]

Close the parks though.

 

[Favelado]

I hope that people's righteous anger about how capitalism and ruthless profiteering will translate into real social change after this all calms down.
Well, I can dream.

Yeah, there seems to be some optimism that this can lead to systemic change. Look how a lot of people have behaved during this crisis though. We'll be back to full on raging capitalism within a year or so of the pandemic being under control. We've seen that people just care about the here and now. I think there'll be a lot of Guardian articles about the new Post-Corona world - but it won't be much more than a interesting dinner party talking point.

 

[baldrick]

I hope that people's righteous anger about how capitalism and ruthless profiteering will translate into real social change after this all calms down.
Well, I can dream.

It's just pure wealth extraction. These landlords don't live here with the social problems created by their HMOs - rubbish uncollected because the tenants don't understand they should separate into bins, not enough bins, missed bin collections, huge churn of residents so community links aren't being made and no real desire to make friends with neighbours because they're not here long enough. No they all live in Harborne or Edgbaston or Sutton, somewhere green outside the city or abroad.

 

[muscovyduck]

Not sure if this is the right thread for it but I'm still managing to get out for my daily exercise, staying the fuck off the paths away from everyone else. I saw someone who lives about 20 miles away in a more remote area casually roaming around here earlier. Her manager lives around the corner so I suspect they're circumventing the work from home guidance by opperating out of his house. Fuckers

 

[Proper Tidy]

Home testing from next week, kits to be delivered by amazon apparently.

 

[ruffneck23]

Home testing from next week, kits to be delivered by amazon apparently.

not in murica

Amazon workers test positive for coronavirus at six US warehouses

‘We are following guidelines and taking extreme measures to ensure the safety of all employees at our sites,’ says spokeswoman

www.independent.co.uk

 

[bimble]

This sounds like great news apart from the bit where if your test says you’ve had it’s just ‘likely’ that you’re immune so you can go happily about as if you’re safe.
What do you do with that just hope it’s true? i don’t know.

UK coronavirus home testing to be made available to millions

Test to be validated this week, then made available to healthcare workers and general public

www.theguardian.com

 

[mauvais]

This sounds like great news apart from the bit where if your test says you’ve had it’s just ‘likely’ that you’re immune so you can go happily about as if you’re safe.
What do you do with that just hope it’s true? i don’t know.

UK coronavirus home testing to be made available to millions

Test to be validated this week, then made available to healthcare workers and general public

www.theguardian.com

I don't understand what these are going to actually achieve.

 

[2hats]

I don't understand what these are going to actually achieve.

Rampant over-ordering, hoarding and profiteering opportunities?

 

[Proper Tidy]

I'm sure elbows or somebody who has a grasp of science can shed light, but the issue is surely that nobody can actually confirm previous infection creates immunity, or greater resistance, for a period of time as this is all new but that it is likely this is the case based on other viruses and corona viruses specifically. The article is clear that, subject to testing, there tests will at least confirm yay or nay, which has to be better than eg asymptomatic NHS front line staff dealing with vulnerable people

 

[Proper Tidy]

(whether availability of tests when immunity/resistance not assured should result in loosening of this strange new social order we find ourselves in is a different matter though tbf)

 

[2hats]

I'm sure elbows or somebody who has a grasp of science can shed light, but the issue is surely that nobody can actually confirm previous infection creates immunity, or greater resistance, for a period of time as this is all new but that it is likely this is the case based on other viruses and corona viruses specifically. The article is clear that, subject to testing, there tests will at least confirm yay or nay, which has to be better than eg asymptomatic NHS front line staff dealing with vulnerable people

If it is an antibody test it will indicate previous recent exposure and that is all.

If positive it raises the possibility that you might still be distributing viable virions. If positive it raises the possibility that you might have some degree of immunity. To what degree and for how long is unknown; this is an ongoing field of research.

 

[cupid_stunt]

This sounds like great news apart from the bit where if your test says you’ve had it’s just ‘likely’ that you’re immune so you can go happily about as if you’re safe.
What do you do with that just hope it’s true? i don’t know.

The general thinking seems to be that re-infection is highly unlikely, but could happen, as it does occasionally with chicken pox.

 

[Teaboy]

I don't understand what these are going to actually achieve.

If it confirms what I suspect in that I've already had it, this will be very useful to me and presumably plenty others like me. I can then volunteer my services to those who need it knowing that I'm almost certainly not a risk to them or at least a much reduced risk then simply not knowing.

Also from a science data perspective it would be nice to actually get a handle on some numbers instead of just guessing.

What is your objection?

 

[Miss-Shelf]

I was out delivering C19 mutual aid leaflets last night. In one of the blocks of flats some people have an extra porch area behind a door but still outside their front door. One of these porches had loads of 5l oil and boxes of flour and toilet rolls. I guess people really have been hording. I feel greedy for having six tins of tomatoes and 6 soya milk

i guess the person might have been shopping for others or making bread for their block...

 

[Proper Tidy]

If it is an antibody test it will indicate previous recent exposure and that is all.

If positive it raises the possibility that you might still be distributing viable virions. If positive it raises the possibility that you might have some degree of immunity. To what degree and for how long is unknown; this is an ongoing field of research.

Well yeah that's what I just said really isn't it.

I mean I still think it is better to be testing people out there working and if they are positive then saying quarantine for a month or whatever then not testing at all

 

[editor]

I was out delivering C19 mutual aid leaflets last night. In one of the blocks of flats some people have an extra porch area behind a door but still outside their front door. One of these porches had loads of 5l oil and boxes of flour and toilet rolls. I guess people really have been hording. I feel greedy for having six tins of tomatoes and 6 soya milk

i guess the person might have been shopping for others or making bread for their block...

Six? I've only got three. Do I need more?
*heads off to local shop aisles with extra large bag

 

[Proper Tidy]

I was out delivering C19 mutual aid leaflets last night. In one of the blocks of flats some people have an extra porch area behind a door but still outside their front door. One of these porches had loads of 5l oil and boxes of flour and toilet rolls. I guess people really have been hording. I feel greedy for having six tins of tomatoes and 6 soya milk

i guess the person might have been shopping for others or making bread for their block...

Tbf they could be recent purchases left for a day or two in case of infection on the packaging - I did a food run for somebody a couple of days ago and her plan was to leave the bags untouched in a spare room before emptying

 

[mauvais]

If it confirms what I suspect in that I've already had it, this will be very useful to me and presumably plenty others like me. I can then volunteer my services to those who need it knowing that I'm almost certainly not a risk to them or at least a much reduced risk then simply not knowing.

Also from a science data perspective it would be nice to actually get a handle on some numbers instead of just guessing.

What is your objection?

If you get a positive result, yeah OK, let's assume you can't get it again. You're still a risk to other people through normal contamination, just not human contact from you directly. You can deal with that to some extent through good practices.

But if it's negative, then what? Do you keep taking tests periodically until you have it?

This is being touted in some places as a way for life to get back to normal, but I can't see how it is.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I mean I dunno, am not a science type, the ability to test easily is surely part of the solution tho