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cupid_stunt said:
Yet another cracking day on the figures. :thumbs:

Vaccinations - 1st dose just under 21.8m & 2nd dose under 1.1m.

New cases - 6,040, down -34% in the last week, and down 1,394 on last Saturday's 7,434, bringing the 7-day average down to 6,118.

New deaths - 158, down -34.1% in the last week, and down 132 on last Saturday's 290, bringing the 7-day average down to 221.
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They have finally updated figures for today.

Vaccinations - 1st dose 22,213,112 & 2nd dose 1,122,402.

New cases - 5,177, down -31.3% in the last week, and down 858 on last Sunday's 6,034, bringing the 7-day average down to 5,995.

New deaths - 82, down -34.8% in the last week, and down 62 on last Sunday's 144, bringing the 7-day average down to 211.
 
cupid_stunt said:
They have finally updated figures for today.

Vaccinations - 1st dose 22,213,112 & 2nd dose 1,122,402.

New cases - 5,177, down -31.3% in the last week, and down 858 on last Sunday's 6,034, bringing the 7-day average down to 5,995.

New deaths - 82, down -34.8% in the last week, and down 62 on last Sunday's 144, bringing the 7-day average down to 211.
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Today - (usual low numbers, due to the weekend)

Vaccinations - 1st dose 22,377,255 & 2nd dose 1,142,643.

New cases - 4,712, down -26.2% in the last week, and down 743 on last Monday's 5,455, bringing the 7-day average down to 5,889.

New deaths - 65, down -34.5% in the last week, and down 39 on last Monday's 104, bringing the 7-day average down to 206.
 
cupid_stunt said:
Today - (usual low numbers, due to the weekend)

Vaccinations - 1st dose 22,377,255 & 2nd dose 1,142,643.

New cases - 4,712, down -26.2% in the last week, and down 743 on last Monday's 5,455, bringing the 7-day average down to 5,889.

New deaths - 65, down -34.5% in the last week, and down 39 on last Monday's 104, bringing the 7-day average down to 206.
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I know its a Monday and I know 65 is still a lot of people but just to see that number down to double digits is such a pleasing thing.
 
65 is still too many, but that decrease is very welcome. As is the increasing number of "white" areas on the dashboard map when zoomed into the MSOA levels.

I shall be watching the cases (numbers, rates and areas) with some detailed attention for the rest of the month.

I am wanting to arrange for some work to be done "on site" involving a long travel distance and possibly two weeks staying in the local hotel ...
 
PM asked again on road map. Vaccine programme's acceleration is "fantastic and very successful" "but don't forget there is a big budget of risk involved in re-opening schools"
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I missed (avoided the cunt liar) yesterday but if accurate that seems a bit of an admission. Taking a 'big budget of risk' at this time seems madness :)

Totally understand the need to get schools open ASAP for all kids and parents sanity. However we are really getting past the worst and hanging on a few more weeks till after Easter would have really made the final downturn stick harder.

Will be a couple of weeks or a month till we know the impact and hopefully the 'roadmap' will not be impacted.
 
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Badgers said:
I missed (avoided the cunt liar) yesterday but if accurate that seems a bit of an admission. Taking a 'big budget of risk' at this time seems madness :)

Totally understand the need to get schools open ASAP for all kids and parents sanity. However we are really getting past the worst and hanging a few more weeks till after Easter would have really made the final downturn stick harder.

Will be a couple of weeks or a month till we know the impact and hopefully the 'roadmap' will not be impacted.
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I think he's talking to the factions in his own party that have been agitating to speed up the process of unlocking, also to his mates and financial backers in the business world. Its like when a few weeks ago he kept using the word irreversible which raised quite a few eyebrows here but the messaging wasn't directed at us.

The big budget of risk message is for anti-lockdown or at least faster unlockening people and the schools are safe, children are safe and teachers are no more at risk than any other profession message is for the rest of us.
 
Teaboy said:
I think he's talking to the factions in his own party that have been agitating to speed up the process of unlocking, also to his mates and financial backers in the business world. Its like when a few weeks ago he kept using the word irreversible which raised quite a few eyebrows here but the messaging wasn't directed at us.

The big budget of risk message is for anti-lockdown or at least faster unlockening people and the schools are safe, children are safe and teachers are no more at risk than any other profession message is for the rest of us.
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I kinda got that, but he should be speaking to the public not his 'factions' who are only interested in themselves and their chums business interests.
 
Badgers said:
I kinda got that, but he should be speaking to the public not his 'factions' who are only interested in themselves and their chums business interests.
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I also think there's an element of the 'big budget of risk' aimed at the public intended to get people to stick to the rules for a little longer, whilst also not shitting-up parents.

Not that I want to defend the twat, but it's a difficult balancing act, isn't?
 
cupid_stunt said:
I also think there's an element of the 'big budget of risk' aimed at the public intended to get people to stick to the rules for a little longer, whilst also not shitting-up parents.

Not that I want to defend the twat, but it's a difficult balancing act, isn't?
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It is a difficult balancing act, yes. And no less so thanks to the farrago of errors that has been his response over the last 12 months.
 
This is good news, let's hope it turns out the Oxford/AZ one works as well against these variants.

The Pfizer vaccine is able to neutralise the highly contagious Brazilian P.1 variant, a study has found.

Blood from people who had received the Pfizer/BioNTech jab was effective against a version of the virus engineered to carry the same mutations as P.1, according to research published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The vaccine's efficacy against the Brazilian variant was roughly the same as against a less infectious strain from 2020, scientists said.

Pfizer has previously found that its vaccine is able to neutralise other highly contagious variants that were first found in the UK and South Africa.
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www.telegraph.co.uk

EU and UK clash over 'vaccine export ban' as post-Brexit tensions deepen

Downing Street has accused EU chief Charles Michel of spreading falsehoods after he claimed the UK imposed an "outright ban" on coronavirus vaccine exports.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
cupid_stunt said:
This is good news, let's hope it turns out the Oxford/AZ one works as well against these variants.



www.telegraph.co.uk

EU and UK clash over 'vaccine export ban' as post-Brexit tensions deepen

Downing Street has accused EU chief Charles Michel of spreading falsehoods after he claimed the UK imposed an "outright ban" on coronavirus vaccine exports.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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That's very welcome news. I'm just really concerned that every bit of encouraging vaccine news is liable to be taken - by government and some individuals - as licence to be reckless, potentially negating much of the advantage that the vaccines offer.
 
killer b said:
absolutely savage piece in The Times today

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I hadn't seen that before.
'kin'ell !!!
I knew that the situation had been mishandled, with extreme levels of mis-management.
But that piece puts the situation under some very strong lighting, which shows up the faults most starkly.
My reading of that makes me wish BJ, Sunnak and several others could be charged with the equivalent of corporate manslaughter by government cock-up.
 
StoneRoad said:
I hadn't seen that before.
'kin'ell !!!
I knew that the situation had been mishandled, with extreme levels of mis-management.
But that piece puts the situation under some very strong lighting, which shows up the faults most starkly.
My reading of that makes me wish BJ, Sunnak and several others could be charged with the equivalent of corporate manslaughter by government cock-up.
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They fucking should be. One of the most piss-boiling aspects about this whole thing is the complete and total lack of any kind of accountability.
 
I do not want to spend much time in the coming months going on about future risks and expectations. So I'm hoping that this post, where I quote a bunch of stuff WHitty said to a committee, via the BBC live updates page, will be the last time for a while that I dwell on this stuff.


Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme.

He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective, meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die.

"What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are."
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"Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee.

"A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says.

Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them".

He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown".
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Asked about whether it is possible to shorten the gaps between the stages of unlocking in the government's lockdown roadmap Prof Chris Whitty says it is unlikely.

"It is highly doubtful that we are going to be in a position where we say the data looks so fantastically better please take more risks here," England's chief medical officer says.

"I think that is a highly unlikely situation."

Currently there are five weeks between different stages of the lockdown exit and Prof Whitty says it would be difficult to get clear enough data from a shorter period.
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I have often been critical of the way Whitty has dodged questions about government failures by going on about balance, but I do recognise that there is some legitimate territory for the question of balance to be explored.

Answering questions from MPs this morning, and asked about how the government should balancing risks during the pandemic Prof Chris Whitty says "there are going to be deaths from this" and it is not worth considering a zero deaths scenario in policy-making.

He compares coronavirus to flu, saying there have been very few deaths this year due to Covid measures. But he says it is a decision for society via government to determine what is an acceptable level of deaths. Lockdown measures like those at the moment are not normally taken for influenza - but people die from it every year.

Whitty says it is a "difficult calculation" as there are also health risks from lockdowns so there are "risks and benefits on both sides of the equation".
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edit - oh I see they turned it into an article: Covid-19: Don't think pandemic is over, Whitty warns
 
From the 'protect the NHS, die at home' medical care rationing department:

The study, in BMJ Health and Care Informatics, used 50 simulated cases to compare online checkers used during the pandemic from four countries - UK, US, Japan and Singapore.

It found the symptom checkers used by the UK and US were half as likely to advise people to consult a doctor as the systems used in Japan and Singapore.

Japan and Singapore also had the lowest case fatality rates of the four nations.

Despite improvements in the safety of the NHS 111 symptom checker since the research was carried out in April, the researchers said they still have "ongoing concerns".
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www.bbc.co.uk

Covid online symptom checker 'may delay treatment'

A study suggests the NHS online Covid service tells some seriously-ill people to stay at home.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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