Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[redsquirrel]

is there a mechanism to oust corbyn before 2020?

A call from 20% of MPs and MEPs can trigger a new election, the question then is whether Corbyn would be on the ballot by right of being leader. There's been suggestions (clearly coming from the Blairites) that anyone, including Corbyn, would need the backing of 15% of the PLP to get on the ballot. But it's not clear that that reading is the correct one and it might only be challengers that need the 15%.

Overview here (clearly from someone friendly with the right-wing but AFAIK correct regarding the facts re elections).

 

[killer b]

It doesn't matter if there's a mechanism, it's not going to be triggered. Who's going to canvas for the fuckers if they sneeringly reject the overwhelming choice of the party?

 

[DotCommunist]

It doesn't matter if there's a mechanism, it's not going to be triggered. Who's going to canvas for the fuckers if they sneeringly reject the overwhelming choice of the party?

thats why I refered earlier to mandlesons 'suck it up and face front' messages. The labour left has to fail hard before the right of the party will pick up new....ehehehhe...momentum.

 

[butchersapron]

It doesn't matter if there's a mechanism, it's not going to be triggered. Who's going to canvas for the fuckers if they sneeringly reject the overwhelming choice of the party?

Tories use professional canvassers and lib-dem used hyper-artivist twats. Canvassers are good at making/building/being part of a wider social movement. Labour are well beyond those days now.

 

[killer b]

I think you might be taking me a little too literally there butch.

 

[youngian]

How are the party going to dump Corbyn, considering his popularity with the rank & file? It's not going to happen.

If Labour loses ground in the coming May elections then senior MPs approach Corbyn to resign for the good of the party. Especially if you threaten to trigger a leadership election in which he doesn't even get on the ballot. The Labour Party hasn't been good at tossing leaders over the side but they might make an exception for a man who delivers worst results than Ed Miliband.

 

[butchersapron]

If Labour loses ground in the coming May elections then senior MPs approach Corbyn to resign for the good of the party. Especially if you threaten to trigger a leadership election in which he doesn't even get on the ballot. The Labour Party hasn't been good at tossing leaders over the side but they might make an exception for a man who delivers worst results than Ed Miliband.

Anti-corbyn MPs approach corbyn to stop being corbyn. Blimey.

Odd this, his two elections he's pissed them - won them both beyond expectations.

Senior MPs - lol.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

If Labour loses ground in the coming May elections then senior MPs approach Corbyn to resign for the good of the party. Especially if you threaten to trigger a leadership election in which he doesn't even get on the ballot. The Labour Party hasn't been good at tossing leaders over the side but they might make an exception for a man who delivers worst results than Ed Miliband.

Exactly. Hopefully the marginalisation of the PLP by Corbyn and McDonnell will mean it happens before the election and we can salvage something. Just takes the sensible MPs to have some balls.

 

[Beermoth]

If Labour loses ground in the coming May elections then senior MPs approach Corbyn to resign for the good of the party. Especially if you threaten to trigger a leadership election in which he doesn't even get on the ballot. The Labour Party hasn't been good at tossing leaders over the side but they might make an exception for a man who delivers worst results than Ed Miliband.

Getting rid of Corbyn would kill off a lot of support. They can't afford to do any of what you're saying.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Getting rid of Corbyn would kill off a lot of support. They can't afford to do any of what you're saying.

It really wouldn't. Have you seen the polls? The worst leader in living memory.

 

[Beermoth]

It really wouldn't. Have you seen the polls? The worst leader in living memory.

Doesn't matter. Corbyn was democratically elected and is popular among members. Labour can't afford to jeopardise that. Or to put it another way - I'd be utterly amazed if they even tried to force him out.

 

[redsquirrel]

Especially if you threaten to trigger a leadership election in which he doesn't even get on the ballot.

It's not certain that he won't get on the ballot - he could be on the ballot by right. But even if we isn't there would be huge pressure on MPs to provide him with the needed 35 nominations.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Exactly. Hopefully the marginalisation of the PLP by Corbyn and McDonnell will mean it happens before the election and we can salvage something. Just takes the sensible MPs to have some balls.

"Sensible MPs". There's a contradiction in terms.
Perhaps "sensible" is an acronym?

Self-involved
egotistic
nepostistic
self-regarding
ignorant
bombastic
lying
eejits.

Seems about right to me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Doesn't matter. Corbyn was democratically elected and is popular among members. Labour can't afford to jeopardise that. Or to put it another way - I'd be utterly amazed if they even tried to force him out.

Because obviously the "sensible" MPs aren't that stupid, that they'd want to rub the activist base up the wrong way...

 

[fiannanahalba]

Please keep Jeremy. Keep the faith. Jez we can.

 

[youngian]

"Sensible MPs". There's a contradiction in terms.
Perhaps "sensible" is an acronym?
Self-involved
egotistic
self-regarding

As Jeremy is none of those things he won't mind taking a bullet for his party. The latest all-poll average shows the Tories 7.4% ahead of Labour. In March 2011, Labour led by 5.9% under the triumphant leadership of Ed Miliband.

Doesn't matter. Corbyn was democratically elected and is popular among members.

I hope they are out hitting the doorsteps for the May elections because that's Jezza's end of term report. Canvassing in marginals to gauge Corbyn's popularity with Jo Public will be a sobering experience for Momentum.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Exactly. Hopefully the marginalisation of the PLP by Corbyn and McDonnell will mean it happens before the election and we can salvage something. Just takes the sensible MPs to have some balls.

Why do you hate democracy?

 

[ViolentPanda]

As Jeremy is none of those things he won't mind taking a bullet for his party. The latest all-poll average shows the Tories 7.4% ahead of Labour. In March 2011, Labour led by 5.9% under the triumphant leadership of Ed Miliband.

And what exactly is driving the poor polling?
Is it performance-based, or is it perhaps relentless bad press from a media entirely comfortable with the neoliberal consensus.
If you believe it's the former, rather than the latter, then smack yourself in the head with a hammer - you'll have earned it.

I hope they are out hitting the doorsteps for the May elections because that's Jezza's end of term report. Canvassing in marginals to gauge Corbyn's popularity with Jo Public will be a sobering experience for Momentum.

When I mentioned activists, I meant the tens of thousands who joined the party after Corbyn's election as leader, not the 60,000-ish who didn't, but I suppose you wouldn't have felt right about not getting a dig in about Momentum. No follower of the previous Labour status quo would.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why do you hate democracy?

Because he desires power, not service.

 

[youngian]

And what exactly is driving the poor polling?
Is it performance-based, or is it perhaps relentless bad press from a media entirely comfortable with the neoliberal consensus.
If you believe it's the former, rather than the latter, then smack yourself in the head with a hammer - you'll have earned it.

The buck always stops with the leader. If Corbyn hasn't a strategy to outfox the media whose fault's that? And if he can't run his party by keeping his troops in line the public will decide Corbyn can't run anything else.

 

[agricola]

The buck always stops with the leader. If Corbyn hasn't a strategy to outfox the media whose fault's that? And if he can't run his party by keeping his troops in line the public will decide Corbyn can't run anything else.

It does stop with him, but of course neither the media nor the majority of the PLP could be described as people who would respond to reasoned argument.

 

[fiannanahalba]

Blanket media hostility and demonisation of Salmond etc hasn't stopped the SNP polling around 60%. Jez we can.

 

[agricola]

Blanket media hostility and demonisation of Salmond etc hasn't stopped the SNP polling around 60%. Jez we can.

Blanket media hostility? That must have been some different Murdoch who backed them in the General Election.

 

[murphy1970]

The Labour right are self perpetuating apocalyptic nay sayers. They act in every way possible to undermine the democratically elected party leader, do sod all to canvass or aid the LP, unless it's in a safe seat for a Blairite, and then dive in like vultures if there is a poor result for the party.
It is no real mystery why the Labour Party is doing so badly north of the border. It is a lethal mix of organisational incompetence married to political opportunism.
There is a huge space to the left of the SNP. The SNP are not left wing in any meaningful degree, and could easily be out flanked to the left, but Labour can't do this. The reasons why? Decades of Tammany Hall corruption have meant that local Labour Parties are simply personality cults/electoral machines for whatever sectarian variant wants to be elected. The Labour party, at council and national level, has been complicit with cut-backs and austerity programmes with barely a murmur raised in progress.
Personally, and politically, I admire Corbyn and the Momentum movement but they are too little and too late to save the party north of the border, and being far too mealy mouthed in the south. The Blairites are now in open rebellion and doing everything in their power to a/ replace Corbyn and b/ win the next election for the Tories.
The left in the party must fight back with everything they have, and they have a lot, namely the huge advantage of an overwhelming mandate.

 

[DotCommunist]

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[two sheds]

If Corbyn hasn't a strategy to outfox the media whose fault's that?

How would he do that? Trick them into running positive stories?

 

[Tankus]

The left in the party must fight back with everything they have, and they have a lot, namely the huge advantage of an overwhelming mandate.

Within the new party members perhaps......even less so with the electorate

 

[youngian]

How would he do that? Trick them into running positive stories?

Yes, you're getting the hang of this press and pr malarky.

 

[two sheds]

Yes, you're getting the hang of this press and pr malarky.

Ooooh interesting - could you give an example of how Corbyn could do this?

 

[youngian]

Blanket media hostility and demonisation of Salmond etc hasn't stopped the SNP polling around 60%. Jez we can.

It does stop with him, but of course neither the media nor the majority of the PLP could be described as people who would respond to reasoned argument.

They might respond to unreasonable arguments like back me or you're sacked. And if you're polling at 60% and almost most certain to form the next administration you will command complete party loyalty. But if you're trailing the Tories by 7% you haven't got much leverage to get the troops in line. This leadership business is not difficult.