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Is this idea of a coup entirely an invention of The Guardian? That's my immediate conclusion these days, news ink before actual events.
 
mauvais said:
Is this idea of a coup entirely an invention of The Guardian? That's my immediate conclusion these days, news ink before actual events.
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Yes. The right-wing media and the neoliberal right's symbiotic relationship is on full display here, the dying media get constant non-stories and the Labour right get to (at least try) to create the impression that the Labour leadership is in a constant state of precarious crisis. They don't let facts get in the way of this, facts like there is no realistic mechanism to bring about this election whereby Corbyn would lose a vote.
 
It's also remarkably transparent how they do a very similar thing to Sanders. There's not even a curtain to operate behind any more.
 
agricola said:
They have been praising Dan Jarvis - who used to be a paratrooper - today, claiming a speech tomorrow (in which he absolves New Labour of any blame whatsoever but says lessons must be learned) signals the start of his bid for the leadership.
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The press is always keen to stress Jarvis's time as a para, as though that in itself is qualification enough to become leader.
 
nino_savatte said:
The press is always keen to stress Jarvis's time as a para, as though that in itself is qualification enough to become leader.
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The reasoning behind it is to portray him as someone who wouldn't be as bloodthirsty as Blair, because he's experienced war. We're supposed to infer from that, that he'll be wise about cultivating peace.
Only one problem with that: He's a fucking Para!
 
Never mind their full puff story, they've started the drip feed. This being part of the Brexit-Queen row.

"MP Dan Jarvis, the Labour backbencher widely touted as a potential challenger to Jeremy Corbyn, commented on the row on Thursday morning. Asked about Gove, he said: “Most people would take a very dim view if such a senior cabinet minister was seen to be behaving in that way”.

Fuckers!

Queen voiced 'scathing views' on EU more than once, says Sun editor
 
ViolentPanda said:
The reasoning behind it is to portray him as someone who wouldn't be as bloodthirsty as Blair, because he's experienced war. We're supposed to infer from that, that he'll be wise about cultivating peace...
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i don't think its that at all - from where i sit its the desperate realisation of the Labour 'elites' that the party of the working man has become completely divorced from, err... the working man, and vice versa, and the concentration on Jarvis' background is an attempt to wrestle (or look like its wrestling..) the party back into the realms of 'normal people' and away from the ranks of lawyers, policy wonks, former researchers and polytechnic lecturers who have infested Labours ranks since the 70's and even earlier.

the same thing was constantly made of Alan Johnson having been a postman - its got nothing to do with deeply held attitudes regarding postal services, its about saying (or trying desperately to pretend..) that a political figure is normal, that they relate to the electorate because they are the electorate. and that they can probably handle a bacon sandwich...

Jarvis comes to the fore because he is the perfect weapon against Corbyn - poll after poll shows Corbyn viewed, even by Labour voters, as fatally weak on defence and foreign policy and fits neatly into the yoghurt-weaving, sandal-wearing pidgeon hole so respected by the electorate. Jarvis is not seen in that way, unsurprisingly. he's also the perfect weapon against the tories, as the tory vote loves a man who has killed the Queens enemies, and is likely to draw unflattering comparisons with whichever no-mark is leading the tories in the 2020 election.
 
ViolentPanda said:
The reasoning behind it is to portray him as someone who wouldn't be as bloodthirsty as Blair, because he's experienced war. We're supposed to infer from that, that he'll be wise about cultivating peace.
Only one problem with that: He's a fucking Para!
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i would have thought that would make him more of a follower than a leader: fuhrer, befehl! wir folgen!
 
kebabking said:
i don't think its that at all - from where i sit its the desperate realisation of the Labour 'elites' that the party of the working man has become completely divorced from, err... the working man, and vice versa, and the concentration on Jarvis' background is an attempt to wrestle (or look like its wrestling..) the party back into the realms of 'normal people' and away from the ranks of lawyers, policy wonks, former researchers and polytechnic lecturers who have infested Labours ranks since the 70's and even earlier.

the same thing was constantly made of Alan Johnson having been a postman - its got nothing to do with deeply held attitudes regarding postal services, its about saying (or trying desperately to pretend..) that a political figure is normal, that they relate to the electorate because they are the electorate. and that they can probably handle a bacon sandwich...

Jarvis comes to the fore because he is the perfect weapon against Corbyn - poll after poll shows Corbyn viewed, even by Labour voters, as fatally weak on defence and foreign policy and fits neatly into the yoghurt-weaving, sandal-wearing pidgeon hole so respected by the electorate. Jarvis is not seen in that way, unsurprisingly. he's also the perfect weapon against the tories, as the tory vote loves a man who has killed the Queens enemies, and is likely to draw unflattering comparisons with whichever no-mark is leading the tories in the 2020 election.
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The degree to which Jarvis's "candidacy" is about "representing" to certain groups, rather than being anything political, is certainly nauseating, yet unsurprising given that the wonks are still in control. As for your swerve at putting Jarvis (former Army officer) in the same proletarian bracket as Johnson, shame on you comrade! It's the re-education holiday village for you!
 
ViolentPanda said:
I'm afraid not.
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A successful leader has to inspire the party and the wider electorate. Corbyn won because he could, at least, score one out of two instead of zero. Burnham or Cooper had the strength in the party to imbed themselves until 2020 on Ed Miliband poll ratings. Corbyn was worth a punt for many long-standing Labour Party members because he would be easy to dump if Labour tanked in the polls. And they now won't have to wait until 2020 for rising stars like Jarvis to step up. Jeremy's a decent honourable man it's now clear he couldn't lead a hungry dog to the butchers let alone a political party. If the coming May elections see Labour lose ground, Jezza is unlikely to even make it to party conference.
 
killer b said:
How are the party going to dump Corbyn, considering his popularity with the rank & file? It's not going to happen.
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Yes, who are the party? That's the wider question isn't it? There's an assumption in the above (beyond the technical questions of how to assasinate someone) that it's the PLP.
 
butchersapron said:
Yes, who are the party? That's the wider question isn't it? There's an assumption in the above (beyond the technical questions of how to assasinate someone) that it's the PLP.
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Listening to Tom Harris on the 'Week in Westminster' (start at 15.40) gives you a fair idea of who some people think the Labour Party are; it's not a mass membership organisation. Which is obviously the fundamental problem facing those who want Corbyn out.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
is there a mechanism to oust corbyn before 2020? If the reaction of the rank and file to the PLP's disasterous loss at the GE (obvs I know the roots of an anti blairism, anti labour right go a lot deeper than eds fall but the leadership being a catalyst and avenue for the r&f) was to vote corbyn in, how much further might a reaction to some coup go. Thats why I think I'm agreeing with Killer b here. Early days of the post corbyn victory Madleson was making noises about 'not being rebellious' or similar. A 'give him enough rope' strategy I assume. Of course if the showing in may isn't good he's going to look a lot weaker than this post leadership election victory period
 
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