Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[ViolentPanda]

Why do all your posts have to read like some low rent college lecturer trying to patiently explain how the world really works

Because you read them like some low rent petulant student?

 

[gosub]

That is what OPEC have been going around claiming, though given that they have spent the last eighteen months kneecapping themselves (in an attempt to get rid of inconvienient investment in the oil industry) it is a claim that is perhaps best taken with industrial quantities of salt.

Well its only so cheap now coz they managed to cream off loads in the run up to 2008 and plough it into development.... electric transport may have some impact on demand, but we'll still need oil for fertilizers/plastics....but the oil companies will look at what's happened and will prioritise fracking : cheaper/quicker to get up and running and easier to mothball.

 

[binka]

Because you read them like some low rent petulant student?

I post without pretensions

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Very good piece on the failure of labour moderates here: Labour's right are investigating the wrong defeat

 

[killer b]

does anyone believe five more years of cuts, of growing wealth inequality, and a possible global recession will hand Labour victory in 2020, regardless of how far from the “political centre” the party is or is perceived to be? I doubt it.

 

[killer b]

(Actually, I know some people here seem to think that. But I doubt Corbyn or any of his team do. Maybe Abbott)

 

[Hocus Eye.]

does anyone believe five more years of cuts, of growing wealth inequality, and a possible global recession will hand Labour victory in 2020, regardless of how far from the “political centre” the party is or is perceived to be? I doubt it.

You have just lifted that word for word from an article in the New Statesman. Put some thoughts of your own down if you want to ask a question.

 

[killer b]

I know I lifted it from the article. That's why I italicised it.

I wasn't asking a question, I was highlighting some arrant nonsense in MM's Very Good Piece.

 

[belboid]

A global recession could do it, if it's anywhere near as big as last time, which is possible. Awful lot of if's tho

 

[killer b]

Right. But he's saying that's their strategy, not that it could happen.

 

[mk12]

Why do people always assume that it is the left that inevitably benefits from economic downturns?

 

[belboid]

Why do people always assume that it is the left that inevitably benefits from economic downturns?

who said 'inevitably'? Some of us do remember the eighties (and many other times).

In this case, they came in on the basis that Labour had crashed the economy, so if a similar thing happens to them, it could fuck them, like it did Major.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do people always assume that it is the left that inevitably benefits from economic downturns?

the right vy good at it too

 

[DownwardDog]

Looks like his media strategy is to get them out in the open now, years from the election, to take the sting out, hoping that when the tories raise the FI (or IRA or Hamas or....) in the actual campaign the electorate will shrug that's just jeremy but he's right on the economy and NHS.

A fond hope. What he's experiencing now is nothing compared to what we'll do to him in a GE campaign.

 

[killer b]

Difficult to imagine how it could be much worse tbh.

 

[Nylock]

Tbf, it could get much, much worse....

 

[Pickman's model]

Difficult to imagine how it could be much worse tbh.

that's ok, you won't need to imagine it

 

[agricola]

Very good piece on the failure of labour moderates here: Labour's right are investigating the wrong defeat

Was it? It seemed to be suggesting that the moderates had made mistakes but that all the moderates that mattered didn't.

 

[newbie]

A fond hope. What he's experiencing now is nothing compared to what we'll do to him in a GE campaign.

what his opponents throw around during the election will be minor compared with what his enemies will hurl between now and then.

 

[redsquirrel]

Why do people always assume that it is the left that inevitably benefits from economic downturns?

What belboid said, no inevitably about it, just an analysis of what an economic downturn might mean in the present.

 

[DotCommunist]

A fond hope. What he's experiencing now is nothing compared to what we'll do to him in a GE campaign.

you'll do nothing you ex pat cunt, the team you support with half a heart might try but theres no we there. You'll have a vicarious wank.

 

[Dogsauce]

A fond hope. What he's experiencing now is nothing compared to what we'll do to him in a GE campaign.

They'll do that whoever is at the helm, doesn't matter if it's Corbyn or some Blairite, Murdoch and the Mail will always push for whichever is the most right-wing party. I couldn't see Burnham getting an easier ride.

 

[DownwardDog]

you'll do nothing you ex pat cunt, the team you support with half a heart might try but theres no we there. You'll have a vicarious wank.

I'll be (partially) paying for Sir Lynton's campaign in 2020 so, in some minor way, it will be my triumph too when Corbochev is led away holding up his piss soaked cords with one hand.

 

[existentialist]

Was it? It seemed to be suggesting that the moderates had made mistakes but that all the moderates that mattered didn't.

I think our friend's critical faculties are somewhat...subjective.

 

[kebabking]

...I couldn't see Burnham getting an easier ride.

poor choice - Burnham will be forever the Butcher of Stafford, he's got so many actual skeletons in his closet from when he was Health Secretary that the RW papers could give out 50 page supplements containing nothing but the names of those who'se deaths he contributed to. there are others who the media could monster for their views (alleged views..), but no one comes near Burnham for rank incompetance.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Very good piece on the failure of labour moderates here: Labour's right are investigating the wrong defeat

Bush is a good journalist, but that is not a "good piece". The strong implication is that Corbyn et al aren't interested in broad appeal. Any unbiased perusal of the proposals made by Corbyn and his Parliamentary followers pretty much nails such claims into their coffin. What Corbyn wants is a party whose policy proceeds from internal democracy. That's about as far from Leninism as one can get.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'll be (partially) paying for Sir Lynton's campaign in 2020 so, in some minor way, it will be my triumph too when Corbochev is led away holding up his piss soaked cords with one hand.

In future please keep the door to your 'piss soaked' subconscious closed.

Louis MacNeice

 

[gosub]

Bush is a good journalist, but that is not a "good piece". The strong implication is that Corbyn et al aren't interested in broad appeal. Any unbiased perusal of the proposals made by Corbyn and his Parliamentary followers pretty much nails such claims into their coffin. What Corbyn wants is a party whose policy proceeds from internal democracy. That's about as far from Leninism as one can get.

Wants and says he wants -two very different things. Playing the shell game over Trident policy (where do the pro trident lot get an input now?) and that apparent on the hoof announcement of no dividends for companies not paying the living wage...if it suits him he'll ride roughshod over democracy.

 

[nino_savatte]

Great argument you have their

And you have an argument? Go on, let's see it.

 

[nino_savatte]

When you've finished righting that wrong what proportion of Argentinian land and wealth do you propose is given up in reparations to native Argentinians?

I just wonder how you felt about the Chagossians. Hmmm? Did you get as wound up about their plight? I bet you didn't utter a sound.

The Falklands Islands are little more than an object of right-wing political correctness. Whenever anyone expresses a point of view that isn't aligned with the dominant narrative, it is seen as a heretical or worse: 'the mark of a loony lefty'.