Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[The Pale King]

Britain is regarded as a barbarian colonial country in Latin America. It would be very good to change this, because it is a very important global region with whom our cultural/industrial/governmental ties are practically non-existent. Submitting the case for arbitration to the U.N or other would be the right thing to do. Britain could begin to develop a reputation as a law-abiding country. Any natural resources there should be shared - thieving oil off Argentina's coast will confirm every view the Latin American public holds of the U.K. Scratch under the surface of arguments to keep the islands at all costs and it is blood and soil, nothing more.

 

[Mr Moose]

As opposed to the tens of miles from the UK?

You're doing the full Paisley too. That's exactly what the other side says, so that's that. As we were for decades and decades to come.

It doesn't matter where it is now - we'd all be agreed we can't pull off this colonial shit in the future - but it's not a debate of ethnicity. They are simply there, somewhat out of place - like the Hispanic Argentinians.

Argentina will no doubt be able to commercially benefit from the Falkland Islands when they stop threatening for right wing political gain.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Most argentinans have zero links to any anti imperial struggle they are italian immigrants from europe the brave anti imperialists made sure to kill off any freed slaves and then murdered the fuck out of the patagonian indians. So thats total bullshit

I'm trying to get you to look at how they see themselves, and how calling them imperialists too will be treated with contempt.

 

[likesfish]

UK tried that a treaty argentina signed to SHARE the resources oil and fish Argentina tore it up and walked in a hissy fit.

 

[likesfish]

I'm trying to get you to look at how they see themselves, and how calling them imperialists too will be treated with contempt.

I know how they seem themselves the fact they are spanish speaking italians who seek to impose themselves on a small island that doesnt want them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Submitting the case for arbitration to the U.N or other would be the right thing to do. .

This.

Such a process would also represent the best chance of a secure future for the islanders themselves. Yes, they might lose their absolute 'britishness' (which they were only given after the war anyway - before it they weren't British citizens), but they would gain the chance to build a peaceful cooperative future with their neighbours.

 

[binka]

I'm trying to get you to look at how they see themselves, and how calling them imperialists too will be treated with contempt.

Why do all your posts have to read like some low rent college lecturer trying to patiently explain how the world really works

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I know how they seem themselves the fact they are spanish speaking italians who seek to impose themselves on a small island that doesnt want them.

You're just repeating how you see them.

If this were an Argentinian board, I'd be posing questions to people on the other side of this too. You know. Seeking solutions rather than shouting No Surrender.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Why do all your posts have to read like some low rent college lecturer trying to patiently explain how the world really works

Given the ignorant racist crap likefish has been coming out with, I think I'm being pretty restrained. I could just call him a cunt instead if you prefer.

Ignorant racists do need to have stuff explained, yes.

 

[likesfish]

Thing is its all one way the Argentinans threw away the last attempt at building bridges the islanders have zero confidence in them and the Uk goverment needs nothing from argentina.

Uk has right and might on its side argentina can whine impotently to the UN its not on the security council so it doesnt count.
Uk offered to take the case to the international court several times argentina refused that as it knows its case is bullshit

 

[Mr Moose]

This.

Such a process would also represent the best chance of a secure future for the islanders themselves. Yes, they might lose their absolute 'britishness' (which they were only given after the war anyway - before it they weren't British citizens), but they would gain the chance to build a peaceful cooperative future with their neighbours.

Do you never look at recent political history in Argentina and think - I'd rather not thanks. Why on earth would you even query why they where desperate to be recognised as British rather than live under a right wing death squad rule?

It's Argentina that needs to learn cooperation. A much more peaceful and democratic society than it was but no gain for the Islanders yet.

 

[nino_savatte]

Argentina has done nothing to apologize or mend fences with either the UK or the islanders.
Instead it walked away from a treaty in a hissy fit made several impotent threats carried out or attempted to carry out idiotic stunts last of which was a yacht they abandoned thatcwasxtowed into port stanley. Publicly complained about a radar atvgoose green which is a scientific radar that Argentine scientists work on. Tried to steal the Falklands internet domain. Etc etc etc.

They are a children's cartoon villian the Falklands island councillor summed it up perfectly " its a very operatic experience having Argentina as a neighbour.

 

[nino_savatte]

Most argentinans have zero links to any anti imperial struggle they are italian immigrants from europe the brave anti imperialists made sure to kill off any freed slaves and then murdered the fuck out of the patagonian indians. So thats total bullshit

"Most" Argentinians? You'll need to support that assertion with some evidence.

 

[nino_savatte]

What a shit attitude you have. Turf people out of there homes for what? To save money? To please the Argentine state?

Oh! The outrage! FFS, get a fucking grip. Oh and it's 'their', not 'there'.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do you never look at recent political history in Argentina and think - I'd rather not thanks. Why on earth would you even query why they where desperate to be recognised as British rather than live under a right wing death squad rule?

It's Argentina that needs to learn cooperation. A much more peaceful and democratic society than it was but no gain for the Islanders yet.

Right wing death squads trained up by the UK's bosom chums at the CIA, that would be?

Don't give anything to the Germans. Remember Hitler. Spain? Franco ffs.

Do you not see how arrogant that sounds? They're not civilised like us. Maybe in a few decades' time.

 

[Mr Moose]

Right wing death squads trained up by the UK's bosom chums at the CIA, that would be?

Don't give anything to the Germans. Remember Hitler. Spain? Franco ffs.

What are you going on about? I'm saying why the Falkland Islanders would be cautious about the Argentinian state. The fact that the CIA could train them to electrocute your genitals isn't mitigation.

Argentina maybe moving on from those dark days but it sounds least like it when their Government pulls out an onion and start weeping over the Falklands.

 

[Mr Moose]

Oh! The outrage! FFS, get a fucking grip. Oh and it's 'their', not 'there'.

When you've finished righting that wrong what proportion of Argentinian land and wealth do you propose is given up in reparations to native Argentinians?

 

[likesfish]

Argentina terminates Falklands oil agreement with UK



We tried confidence building measures only to get them thrown back and a decade of histonics followed.
Argentina has zero credability at the moment.

 

[Mr Moose]

Right wing death squads trained up by the UK's bosom chums at the CIA, that would be?

Don't give anything to the Germans. Remember Hitler. Spain? Franco ffs.

Do you not see how arrogant that sounds? They're not civilised like us. Maybe in a few decades' time.

The edit you have added is just fucking silly.

 

[belboid]

Argentina terminates Falklands oil agreement with UK

We tried confidence building measures only to get them thrown back and a decade of histonics followed.
Argentina has zero credability at the moment.

christ, even that article points out that the Argies got fucked off after the UK broke the agreement. But its all the Argies fault

 

[likesfish]

Immigration to Argentina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Argentina wasnt even "close" to the falklands until the 1880s

 

[Mr Moose]

Hopefully oil will stay cheap enough until we can live off the sun for it never to be exploited around the Islands.

 

[killer b]

If nothing else, this delightful diversion amply demonstrates why this is a topic to be swerved where possible.

 

[gosub]

Hopefully oil will stay cheap enough until we can live off the sun for it never to be exploited around the Islands.

the world needs an investment blitz of $10 trillion to replace depleting oil fields and to meet extra demand of 17m barrels per day (b/d) by 2040 so probably not,

 

[Mr Moose]

If nothing else, this delightful diversion amply demonstrates why this is a topic to be swerved where possible.

Lesson for Corbo then this early in the game.

 

[bimble]

My views are science. Yours are religion.

I just popped in here in order to steal this and use it in all earnestness with no irony at all. Cheers.

 

[agricola]

the world needs an investment blitz of $10 trillion to replace depleting oil fields and to meet extra demand of 17m barrels per day (b/d) by 2040 so probably not,

That is what OPEC have been going around claiming, though given that they have spent the last eighteen months kneecapping themselves (in an attempt to get rid of inconvienient investment in the oil industry) it is a claim that is perhaps best taken with industrial quantities of salt.

 

[magneze]

But is relevant to a thread on Corbyn and the media.

Did I say otherwise?

 

[binka]

Oh! The outrage! FFS, get a fucking grip. Oh and it's 'their', not 'there'.

Great argument you have their

 

[DotCommunist]

If nothing else, this delightful diversion amply demonstrates why this is a topic to be swerved where possible.

amen. At least it hasn't descended in to the tedious claims diversion which when you loook at it is just who said bagsy first