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"His stance has put him on a collision course with military chiefs, who have always been wary of political meddling"
The Military Chiefs don't quite understand who's in charge is would seem. Or the article is bollocks of course.
Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media
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The Military Chiefs don't quite understand who's in charge is would seem. Or the article is bollocks of course.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
There's at least one set of USAF wings on the 1435 crew room wall at MPA. I suppose it's possible he didn't know he wasn't supposed to go!
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
We had a septic battery OC hauled off the plane at Ascension.. Total sense of humour failure on both sides.
All the other ones have just involved the non-travelling party going off to do something different for the period.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
We had a US Navy Lt foisted off on us for a month more enthusastic than an enuthastic thing think the alacrity just wanted a break from him 
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was even cheerful on patrol struggaling across country with over 100lb on his back with the rest of the patrol staring daggers at him
Mpa was also apprantly along with ascension island on the list of emergancy landing sites for the shuttle but then again if things had gone that wrong Both are the only air fields in tens of thousands of sq miles of fuck all
.was even cheerful on patrol struggaling across country with over 100lb on his back with the rest of the patrol staring daggers at him
Mpa was also apprantly along with ascension island on the list of emergancy landing sites for the shuttle but then again if things had gone that wrong Both are the only air fields in tens of thousands of sq miles of fuck all
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Maybe I should start typing your name as 'likesfash', eh?
gosub
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But is relevant to a thread on Corbyn and the media.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
(((hampshire)))
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Are we supposed to dislike people from Argentina? The ironic thing about the whole Falklands dispute is how fucking similar jingoists on both sides sound, just pig-ignorant, they and their media say the exact same shit only in reverse and they are egged on by the same sorts of forces in their country.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Can't speak for nino, but I'm pretty sure like me, he doesn't treat Argentinians as a homogenous mass. Nor anyone else for that matter.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It will forever be the spring of 1982 for you, won't it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Argentina has done nothing to apologize or mend fences with either the UK or the islanders.
Instead it walked away from a treaty in a hissy fit made several impotent threats carried out or attempted to carry out idiotic stunts last of which was a yacht they abandoned thatcwasxtowed into port stanley. Publicly complained about a radar atvgoose green which is a scientific radar that Argentine scientists work on. Tried to steal the Falklands internet domain. Etc etc etc.
They are a children's cartoon villian the Falklands island councillor summed it up perfectly " its a very operatic experience having Argentina as a neighbour.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's not really true. They want to negotiate and have made various offers. The UK refuses to enter any negotiations without first ruling out any discussion of sovereignty. Who is it that is being obstructive here?
The UN passed a resolution as far back as November 82 calling for them to negotiate, and recognising the colonial nature of the existence of places like the FI:
The resolution goes on to explicitly also mention the wellbeing of the islanders. You know, a basis for negotiation based on two parties recognising that they at least understand the other's position.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Self determination is a UN principle the people who live their dont want to be argie until that changes argentina can go whistile. That resolution was a general assembly its non binding,resolution 502 of the security council was and is and told argentina to gtfo the falklands.
Argentina has demanded the islands be handed over referred to the islanders as squatters pirates and non people attempted to impose a blockade refused to recognise the islanders as having any say in anything.
The un decolonisation committee has refused several times to visit the islands and so can be ignored.
Argentina is attempting to colonise the islands
Malvinas: when Argentina is strong and united, world public opinion will back us
This bloke nails it at the moment argentina is poor corrupt weak and noted for being untrustworthy in international relationships.
Argentina has demanded the islands be handed over referred to the islanders as squatters pirates and non people attempted to impose a blockade refused to recognise the islanders as having any say in anything.
The un decolonisation committee has refused several times to visit the islands and so can be ignored.
Argentina is attempting to colonise the islands
Malvinas: when Argentina is strong and united, world public opinion will back us
This bloke nails it at the moment argentina is poor corrupt weak and noted for being untrustworthy in international relationships.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
out of curiosity, would you apply that same principle to the illegal jewish settlements in the west bank?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
unlike britain of course who scrupulously abides by all her international commitments.
binka
!!!!!!!!!
What a shit attitude you have. Turf people out of there homes for what? To save money? To please the Argentine state?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Those have been judged to be illegal under international law.
Unlike the falklands islanders that have been there for over a 150 years and much longer than argentina has been in say patagonia and settlement of the falklands didnt involve genocide of the locals .
This is purely an attempted resource grab by an already rich in land and resource rich country
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Clearly such an idea is highly contingent. The people of a small village in mid-Wales cannot declare independence, put a rope around their fields, and appeal to the UN for support. People living on some small islands also are not in a position to demand that the UK spend £50k per person per year to defend them in perpetuity. They don't have an absolute right to self-determination - if the UK told them to come to the UK or face Argentine rule, they'd have little choice in the matter. And neither should they, necessarily. The wishes of the islanders are not the only consideration here. It's simplistic nonsense to talk as if they were - and the fate of Diego Garcia is an illustration of how their wishes are not the reason the UK defends the islands. Naive in the extreme to think that they are.
Long-term, this is an absurd situation, and the FIs need to foster economic and other links with the South American mainland. Going the full Ian Paisley on any of that just perpetuates the crap.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think we can all agree on that: though we might name the country differently
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You don't have to agree with it, but you should attempt to understand what the presence of a colonial European power in the South Atlantic means to many Latin Americans. They see that they themselves kicked out European masters in their wars of independence, much as their northern neighbours did, and they see issues such as the FIs as unfinished business. Understand as well why the British are called 'pirates' in LA. Because many islands around South America were used by British pirates for centuries, often with British government approval.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Nino didn't talk about them being 'white', loving 'Maggie' or anything to do with Hitler; you made all that up. You make stuff up you should expect to have it pointed out.
How many 'brown' asylum seekers are there in Germany and how many were allegedly involved in sexual assaults? Yet you choose to write 'brown asylum seekers are only a little bit rapey'. You post up racist generalisations you should expect to have it pointed out.
Louis MacNeice
binka
!!!!!!!!!
You are being deliberately disingenuous. We all know the british state doesn't give a fuck about the falkland islanders just like they don't give a fuck about the inhabitants of diego garcia so please stop with your condescending bullshit lecture. I support the rights of both peoples to live in their own homes on their own terms.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yes, it is expensive and why the UN should tell Argentina to cease and desist from it's agitating and let us scale down the military prescence there.
Argentina's claim is idiotic when you merely consider the name 'Argentina' has a Spanish origin, named after the silver early colonialists found there. If anyone wants to roll back imperialism and colonialism then fine, do a thorough job Argentina and start at home.
But once a century or so has passed it's all a bit late. The Falkland Islanders have a right of tenure simply through lasting 150 odd years in such a testing place. Doesn't matter how odd they are or what the exploitation rights are worth.
Maybe there is a more cooperative future possible but not with Argentina's stance. Their claim is not strong enough. It's hundreds of miles from them.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You mean the people who were born there and fought a war of independence against the imperial power?
People keep saying this, but it's bullshit. Coming from ex-imperial powers like the UK, it sounds fucking arrogant, too.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Like I say, it's no longer a basis for rolling back history.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Most argentinans have zero links to any anti imperial struggle they are italian immigrants from europe the brave anti imperialists made sure to kill off any freed slaves and then murdered the fuck out of the patagonian indians. So thats total bullshit
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As opposed to the tens of miles from the UK?
You're doing the full Paisley too. That's exactly what the other side says, so that's that. As we were for decades and decades to come.
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