Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[littlebabyjesus]

I just hope that you are only pretending to be ignorant of Britain's past.

Britain controls bits of the world far far away as a legacy of empire. In the case of the Falklands, Britain was keen to have a presence around the trade routes around Cape Horn as it sought to extend its influence. Understanding why so many Latin Americans consider that presence to be that of an aggressive imperial power certainly requires understanding of the past, yes.

 

[Teaboy]

Heaven forbid that we should ever show compassion towards our fellow human beings, eh?

Fuck the Falkland Islanders.

lol

 

[likesfish]

ah but the falkland islanders are white and worship maggie so obviously worse than hitler. brown aslyum seekers are only a little bit rapey so deserve everything they could possibly want

but france owning guyana on latin america is peachy
or the dutch

it is a legacy of empire it has zero effect on argentina apart from the made up claim they started when it looked like hitler would win.

 

[laptop]

Just. Fuck. Off likesfish

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I've got to admit, as someone who is keen to vote Labour for the first time in a GE if Corbyn is still around in 2020, I probably would change my mind if handing over the Falklands was a policy of theirs.

 

[Teaboy]

I've got to admit, as someone who is keen to vote Labour for the first time in a GE if Corbyn is still around in 2020, I probably would change my mind if handing over the Falklands was a policy of theirs.

I think this sort of thing is going to be a real problem for Corbyn. So whilst there will be some goodwill to him by people who've not voted for labour ever, or at least for a long time, the support is going to be so tentative that there will always be one thing that puts them off.

 

[Brainaddict]

Britain controls bits of the world far far away as a legacy of empire. In the case of the Falklands, Britain was keen to have a presence around the trade routes around Cape Horn as it sought to extend its influence. Understanding why so many Latin Americans consider that presence to be that of an aggressive imperial power certainly requires understanding of the past, yes.

Given that both the British 'ownership' of the Falklands and the Argentinian state itself are both a consequence of colonialism I don't see it so simply. If Latin American states want to display their anti-colonialist credentials some of them could stop being so shitty to their indigenous populations as a starting point, rather than worrying about tiny islands that are symbolic as much as anything. I sometimes find anti-imperialist posturing even from the out-of-power left in LA a bit empty, considering the ambition of most of them is to take over the state and act like a colonial power doing the 'right thing' instead of the wrong thing. But this is getting off topic.

Anyway, I rather agree that it is silly for Corbyn to be talking about the Falklands right now when he has so many policies that could really improve people's lives.

 

[agricola]

Anyway, I rather agree that it is silly for Corbyn to be talking about the Falklands right now when he has so many policies that could really improve people's lives.

True, though its only ever his opinions (or claimed opinions) on certain issues that ever get highlighted - just look at "shoot to kill", for instance.

 

[butchersapron]

ah but the falkland islanders are white and worship maggie so obviously worse than hitler. brown aslyum seekers are only a little bit rapey so deserve everything they could possibly want

but france owning guyana on latin america is peachy
or the dutch

it is a legacy of empire it has zero effect on argentina apart from the made up claim they started when it looked like hitler would win.

This sort of post is why people like you are dangerous. You can keep it under wraps for a while but when it appears the wind is in your favour, out it comes again.

 

[Brainaddict]

True, though its only ever his opinions (or claimed opinions) on certain issues that ever get highlighted - just look at "shoot to kill", for instance.

Yeah, I know. This is interesting: Corbyn to back proposal giving workers 5% of company profits

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fuck the Falkland Islanders. This is one of those rare occasions on which I agree with Galloway: it would cost much less to resettle the islanders in Hampshire, where many of them have familial ties, that to keep them on the Falklands.

Not that the situation is anything to do with securing the islanders in their property, it's about maintaining a UK presence, so as to benefit from the fisheries, and from the estimated tens of billions of barrels of oil and gas that can be tapped in F.I. waters.

 

[teqniq]

i would have thought the Falkland Islands were largely an irrelevance in the scheme of things when there are far more pressing issues to deal with such as the creeping privatisation of the NHS. Lemme see, perchance some establishment news outlet has pressed him on this in the hopes of getting some non-patriotic response which they can use as a stick to beat him with.

 

[agricola]

Yeah, I know. This is interesting: Corbyn to back proposal giving workers 5% of company profits

It is interesting, but I think it does miss the point a bit - most big firms already look to shrink / disguise actual profit levels as it is, whilst continuing to pay the upper levels an ever larger amount of someone else's money. It would perhaps be better (both in terms of morally and for the long term health of the companies concerned) to look to make a clear legal link between terms and conditions for all staff in a company* with those at the top; even at some absurd level like ten times income it would rein a lot of the worst offenders in (edit) and get rid of scandalous treatment of the low-paid at the bottom.

* including subcontractors and agency staff

 

[kebabking]

i would have thought the Falkland Islands were largely an irrelevance in the scheme of things when there are far more pressing issues to deal with such as the creeping privatisation of the NHS. Lemme see, perchance some establishment news outlet has pressed him on this in the hopes of getting some non-patriotic response which they can use as a stick to beat him with.

actually, he walked into the Argentine Embassy for a chat - like you do. they then issued a press release saying 'Jeremy agrees with us - Jeremy is one of us'. he then denies that he agrees with everything they say, or that he's one of them, but while doing so agrees with everything they say about the issue - he manages to do this everytime he's questioned on the FI.

 

[nino_savatte]

Not that the situation is anything to do with securing the islanders in their property, it's about maintaining a UK presence, so as to benefit from the fisheries, and from the estimated tens of billions of barrels of oil and gas that can be tapped in F.I. waters.

Exactly and before the Falklands War, the islanders themselves were little more than servants for the Falkland Islands Company, which is based right here in London.

 

[nino_savatte]

it only costs money because of a threat from argentina and frankly all the resources would be doing something else anyway the islanders may end up paying the cost of the defence if the oil comes through so that's that argument gone.
Argentina wants south georgia as well although they have zero claim to that and British antarctic even though they can't supply their own base there.

What threat? Argentina is hardly in a position to mount an invasion. Furthermore, the islands are closer to Argentina than they are to the UK.

 

[nino_savatte]

The Tory government, ever obsessed with the 1980s, is making the Falklands an issue because it wants to stir up memories of the conflict and use it as another stick to beat Corbyn with. As sticks go, it's about as effective as a piece of balsa wood.

 

[laptop]

the estimated tens of billions of barrels of oil and gas that can be tapped in F.I. waters.

Indeed, on that day in 1982 when these islands sussurated to the sound of flipping atlas leaves as the entire population asked "where the fuck are those islands?" ... on that day I jabbed my finger at a point between the Falklands and the real world and said "drill here!"

Trouble is, at least one company has drilled there and found nothing to write home about.

 

[ska invita]

rather than worrying about tiny islands that are symbolic as much as anything.

I was always under the impression that the key significance of the Islands for Britain was not symbolic, nor for oil, but as a very practical army outpost at a useful point on the military map....just like Diego Garcia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
little footholds and staging posts which allow an extension of the reach of military power...or relics of those plans at the very least

 

[brogdale]

Public schoolboys like you who shift left don't understand how ordinary people think, i really don't care about winning awards on here or otherwise, people have different opinions, live with it.

I'd be very surprised if Pickman's were actually a schoolboy, let alone one from a public school, and what's with the assumption of 'shift' and ignorance?
A strangely (inverted) snobbish post for Urban.

 

[kebabking]

I was always under the impression that the key significance of the Islands for Britain was not symbolic, nor for oil, but as a very practical army outpost at a useful point on the military map....just like Diego Garcia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
little footholds and staging posts which allow an extension of the reach of military power...or relics of those plans at the very least

not really, their 'use' extends to defending them - they've not been used since before the first world war as a base from which to project military power. they aren't even used as a logistics base for supporting the research stations within the British Antarctic Territory, the only projection associated with the FI is the Ice Patrol Ship HMS Protector - she's a barely armed research ship that tootles around the FI, South Georia, the South Sandwich Islands and the kind of places you might exile someone. while painted bright red...

 

[cantsin]

ah but the falkland islanders are white and worship maggie so obviously worse than hitler. brown aslyum seekers are only a little bit rapey so deserve everything they could possibly want

but france owning guyana on latin america is peachy
or the dutch

it is a legacy of empire it has zero effect on argentina apart from the made up claim they started when it looked like hitler would win.

good to see you come of your shell you weasley little reactionary plum

 

[likesfish]

Fuck off the lot of you.
The islanders have been there for 150 years most argentinians cant even trace their routes in argentina that far.
The principle of self determination appears to be important unless your a bennie then you can be handed over to the argies regardless of your wishes.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

ah but the falkland islanders are white and worship maggie so obviously worse than hitler. brown aslyum seekers are only a little bit rapey so deserve everything they could possibly want

No one has said the first part.

But you did say the second part; the disgusting racist part.

That's why you're getting flak...because you richly deserve it.

Louis MacNeice

 

[gosub]

Unfriendly fire: would a Corbyn government lead to a military revolt?

 

[gosub]

not really, their 'use' extends to defending them - they've not been used since before the first world war as a base from which to project military power. they aren't even used as a logistics base for supporting the research stations within the British Antarctic Territory, the only projection associated with the FI is the Ice Patrol Ship HMS Protector - she's a barely armed research ship that tootles around the FI, South Georia, the South Sandwich Islands and the kind of places you might exile someone. while painted bright red...

They were used in the second world war, and that rediculous plan in late 60's to get rid of aircraft carriers move Australia 1000miles to the left and buy F111 relied on island bases like the Falklands

 

[likesfish]

No one has said the first part.

But you did say the second part; the disgusting racist part.

That's why you're getting flak...because you richly deserve it.

Louis MacNeice

Nino savette fuck the falkand islanders

B so nye in germany didnt happen then?

 

[J Ed]

You know what the Tories do about even things they passionately believe in which are unpopular? They shut the fuck up about them. The NHS is being privatised, something they profit from and approve of ideologically but know is deeply unpopular with all but a sliver of the electorate so they don't talk about it, they say they aren't going to do it and work on getting power so that they can get on with it quietly.

Now I understand of course that this is easier with a subservient media, but honestly what is stopping Corbyn here from simply saying 'the matter as far as I'm concerned is closed, I will not enter into negotiations'? Even if he plans to hand them over the day after he gets into power, why doesn't he just say that? Is there one person in Britain who is eligible to vote in this country who wants to vote for Corbyn that would not vote for him or vote for someone else over this issue?

 

[Ol Nick]

You know what the Tories do about even things they passionately believe in which are unpopular? They shut the fuck up about them. The NHS is being privatised, something they profit from and approve of ideologically but know is deeply unpopular with all but a sliver of the electorate so they don't talk about it, they say they aren't going to do it and work on getting power so that they can get on with it quietly.

Now I understand of course that this is easier with a subservient media, but honestly what is stopping Corbyn here from simply saying 'the matter as far as I'm concerned is closed, I will not enter into negotiations'? Even if he plans to hand them over the day after he gets into power, why doesn't he just say that? Is there one person in Britain who is eligible to vote in this country who wants to vote for Corbyn that would not vote for him or vote for someone else over this issue?

He denies man made climate change. He is not evidence-based.

 

[J Ed]

He denies man made climate change. He is not evidence-based.

Piers Corbyn, his brother, is the climate change denier.

As an aside, I am sick of 'evidence-based' as a phrase. It is utterly meaningless. Even climate change deniers' views are 'evidence-based', the evidence might not be good but their views are based on evidence.