binka
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Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media
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Starry Wisdom
did you not notice the pre-war poland to the e of the post-war poland and what's now poland pre-45 was largely german?
binka
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Yes i am aware poland moved a couple of hundred miles to the west. No i don't think the misery that followed was a good thing
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Starry Wisdom
so, as i say, if you had your way...
binka
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What's your point?
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Starry Wisdom
i am surprised you have taken the attitude you have, is all
binka
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What part of it do you have a problem with?
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Starry Wisdom
just surprised by your attitude to the expulsion of the germans while silent about the causes of that expulsion.
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
Tbf if the islanders had been black and the uk goverement could have got something of value tought shit islanders although if somebody had attacked said islanders though diffrent matter.
Argentina whining about uk using force to seize the island is a bit laughable considering argentina went on to commit genocide in its "conquest of the desert"
patagonia
Argentina whining about uk using force to seize the island is a bit laughable considering argentina went on to commit genocide in its "conquest of the desert"
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
It's precisely because they are mostly white anglo saxon and not hispanic that you think they should leave and that you and Nino won't see them as a similar colonial leftover to hispanic South America.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Tad closer than the UK though.
Point about the Falklands is that the events were a gift to a struggling Thatcher. A gift that won her the next election from being in a position, pre-Falklands, of almost certainly losing to Michael Foot. And yeah, the gift came gift wrapped in a red, WHITE and blue union jack.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
You seem to just throw unconnected crap around when lost for a reasonable point.
Tell us why their position is different to all the other colonial descendants in the region and what would you propose is done?
Me, I'd like to see their right to stay put acknowledged, the area dimilitarised and protected from dangerous resource exploitation. The Falkland Islanders should develop their commercial and cultural links and allow others to settle there like any other country. No reason why Argentina can't be involved and benefit.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yeah, but that's UK mainland business - nothing to do with the rights and the wrongs of the Falkland Islanders position. Did Thatcher exploit the issue? - of course she did. Did she pursue all courses of peaceful resolution? - no. But it's moot concerning the issue now and what Jezza is thinking out loud about it.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
It is quite an telling issue from the POV of Corbyn's leadership though and not a distraction to talk about it.
The Falklands has nothing to offer Corbyn apart from grief. He has no reason to act quickly on it or against the sensitivities of most of the electorate. No one is going to die if things stay as they are. No disabled or needy person is losing their benefits over it - they are losing them because of a colossal wealth grab by the ruling classes.
Negotiating on the Falklands shouldn't get near derailing opposing that effectively, getting elected and righting the wrong.
The Falklands has nothing to offer Corbyn apart from grief. He has no reason to act quickly on it or against the sensitivities of most of the electorate. No one is going to die if things stay as they are. No disabled or needy person is losing their benefits over it - they are losing them because of a colossal wealth grab by the ruling classes.
Negotiating on the Falklands shouldn't get near derailing opposing that effectively, getting elected and righting the wrong.
Could you translate that last sentence?
teqniq
DisMembered
Which might have gone some way to explaining why he's a bit grumpy about the whole thing
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Their was no possible peaceful neogciation with the junta other than captitulation to the junta whose next move was going to be to attack chile
somthe falklands war probably saved more lives as chile vs argentina would have been a full on blood bath with generals throwing conscripts into the frontlines
somthe falklands war probably saved more lives as chile vs argentina would have been a full on blood bath with generals throwing conscripts into the frontlines
Its been a good day in parliament for Jeremy - Cameron rattled and defensive.
Google tax: David Cameron defends £130m UK tax deal - BBC News
"one rule for big multinational companies, and another for ordinary small businesses and self-employed workers".
Signs here that Labour are taking seriously the middle class, and Corbyn's reference to self employed workers will no doubt delight many within that category who are in the process of submitting their tax to the revenue.
The vermin are starting to look quite vulnerable to me, with the judiciary undermining them on bedroom tax, nuclear power looking dubious, loads of multinationals evading tax will be a sore that will fester on and on..
Its all reasonable. Or am i too optimistic? Time will tell.
Google tax: David Cameron defends £130m UK tax deal - BBC News
"one rule for big multinational companies, and another for ordinary small businesses and self-employed workers".
Signs here that Labour are taking seriously the middle class, and Corbyn's reference to self employed workers will no doubt delight many within that category who are in the process of submitting their tax to the revenue.
The vermin are starting to look quite vulnerable to me, with the judiciary undermining them on bedroom tax, nuclear power looking dubious, loads of multinationals evading tax will be a sore that will fester on and on..
Its all reasonable. Or am i too optimistic? Time will tell.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
there are - whats interesting is how incilindary the topic is in domestic political terms, and how unconnected the views held are from the left-right party political split.
none of which i think is remotely good news for Labour, primarily because it says - to me - that not only does Corbyn have something of an understanding gap regarding the electorate, but that he simply can't help himself with regards to what appear to be obscure areas of policy but which are politically explosive.
the evidence, to me, looks pretty solid that Corbyns domestic economic policies are very popular amongst a wide swathe of the electorate far outside the left of the Labour party, but that his foreign, security and defence policies/views are toxic outside the Stop the War Coalition. if he can keep his gob shut about things that offend the electorate then he can make progress, but it appears that that is a political skill he doesn't have, and doesn't appear willing to learn - he did, after, walk into the Argentine Embassy for a chat, and thats what started this. he didn't need to do that, he gained nothing by doing it, and theres no one with even the most limited grasp of politics who couldn't have told him he was on a hiding to nothing - but he did it anyway because its one of his personal bugbears.
politics and winning elections requires discipline and sometimes biting your lip on more minor issues in order to win on bigger ones - Corbyn appears not to have that talent.
You do know the STWC is helmed by those very successful party builders(SWP) and politicians(German stood for London Mayor, with derisory results, etc) John Rees, Lyndsey German, and Chris Nineham
Oh ok, I thought you meant it seriously, I've been in stitches
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