Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[Sprocket.]

Here we have a wonderful insight from a man who really connected with the public throwing his two penneth in!

Corbyn must connect with public to survive says Kinnock - BBC News

 

[kebabking]

I bet Kebab King didn't...

I did actually, I'm fully aware that STW is - or is meant to be - a front for the swappies, but my point wasn't related to the organisation or personalities behind STW, so I didn't mention them...

 

[likesfish]

Unilatarism was never a popular plan with the general public even with no threat its going to be a hard sell.
The left are rubbish on defence matters

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Unilatarism was never a popular plan with the general public even with no threat its going to be a hard sell.
The left are rubbish on defence matters

And the right have done so well, both with their rhetoric and their practice.

Louis MacNeice

 

[redcogs]

Why would anyone heed vile Kinnock? the arch labour movement betrayer and Blairite toad, dripping with peerage excess and EU sinecures?

Corbyn knows fine to avoid him and his advice. Just as one avoids sexual intercourse with a putrefying corpse.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why would anyone heed vile Kinnock? the arch labour movement betrayer and Blairite toad, dripping with peerage excess and EU sinecures?

Corbyn knows fine to avoid him and his advice. Just as one avoids sexual intercourse with a putrefying corpse.

 

[nino_savatte]

My argument has been written.

Hilarious. WTF do you sound like?

 

[nino_savatte]

You seem to just throw unconnected crap around when lost for a reasonable point.

Yet your argument is predicated on the simplistic "The Falklands are British". Like I said, the Falklands exist solely as an object of right-wing political correctness and expressing a point of view that contradicts the dominant (Thatcherite) narrative is regarded as heresy. Can you wrap your head around that?

My point was neither "unconnected" nor "unreasonable".

 

[Spymaster]

the evidence, to me, looks pretty solid that Corbyns domestic economic policies are very popular amongst a wide swathe of the electorate far outside the left of the Labour party, but that his foreign, security and defence policies/views are toxic outside the Stop the War Coalition. if he can keep his gob shut about things that offend the electorate then he can make progress, but it appears that that is a political skill he doesn't have, and doesn't appear willing to learn - he did, after, walk into the Argentine Embassy for a chat, and thats what started this. he didn't need to do that, he gained nothing by doing it, and theres no one with even the most limited grasp of politics who couldn't have told him he was on a hiding to nothing - but he did it anyway because its one of his personal bugbears.

politics and winning elections requires discipline and sometimes biting your lip on more minor issues in order to win on bigger ones - Corbyn appears not to have that talent.

Bingo. A sizeable portion of the lefties on here even tend to view Argentina's FI claims and rants as preposterous. To walk into their embassy and open that can of worms when he really doesn't need to shows an astonishing lack of political nouse.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bingo. A sizeable portion of the lefties on here even tend to view Argentina's FI claims and rants as preposterous. To walk into their embassy and open that can of worms when he really doesn't need to shows an astonishing lack of political nouse.

one of the problems in taking part in elections is the danger you might win

 

[nino_savatte]

What we can know, I think, with a pretty high amount of certainty, is this: If the Falkland Islanders had been black, the racist Margaret Thatcher would not have started a war in their name.

Her words: they were 'of British tradition and stock'

translation: They were white.

Exactly. Yet if I were to dare mention that to our Falklands-supporting posters, they would become puce with rage and shout "I'm not a racist".

 

[Pickman's model]

Exactly. Yet if I were to dare mention that to our Falklands-supporting posters, they would become puce with rage and shout "I'm not a racist".

tbh who do you back in a war between a vile tory and a fascist dictatorship?

 

[Spymaster]

Exactly. Yet if I were to dare mention that to our Falklands-supporting posters, they would become puce with rage and shout "I'm not a racist".

Probably. Because it's bollocks.

Thatcher's government would have taken the military option in 82 if the inhabitants had been green with purple spots.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

tbh who do you back in a war between a vile tory and a fascist dictatorship?

Neither of them.

 

[nino_savatte]

tbh who do you back in a war between a vile tory and a fascist dictatorship?

That's a tough one. I remember a pub in a village near where I lived had a sign over the door that read "No Argies". How could they possibly know what an Argentinian looked like? They don't all dress like gauchos. I suspected the pub's landlord would ban anyone with a Spanish accent. I got refused entry for being the 'wrong colour'.

 

[Pickman's model]

Neither of them.

so neither churchill nor hitler.

 

[nino_savatte]

Here we have a wonderful insight from a man who really connected with the public throwing his two penneth in!

Corbyn must connect with public to survive says Kinnock - BBC News

 

[littlebabyjesus]

so neither churchill nor hitler.

Neither thatcher nor galtieri. I'd be more interested in making sure a few hundred conscripts don't get their heads blown off in the name of virtually nothing.

 

[8den]

Peter Mandelson's wank sock

Splendid turn of phrase

 

[Pickman's model]

Neither thatcher nor galtieri. I'd be more interested in making sure a few hundred conscripts don't get their heads blown off in the name of virtually nothing.

british soldiers on the other hand i suppose

 

[likesfish]

Labour did succesful gunboat diplomacy both with galterais junta and guatamalia.

Having a couple of warships and a nuclear sub turn up on a " goodwill vist" sent the juntas plans to the back of the filing cabinet

 

[littlebabyjesus]

british soldiers on the other hand i suppose

Yep, look after them too. By, for instance, not sending them.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, look after them too. By, for instance, not sending them.

yeh just send them to the six counties instead

 

[littlebabyjesus]

yeh just send them to the six counties instead

Now what are you wittering about? Where have I given support to the British army in NI?

 

[Pickman's model]

Now what are you wittering about? Where have I given support to the British army in NI?

i do not recall seeing you oppose their deployment.

 

[binka]

Hilarious. WTF do you sound like?

Yes almost as hillarious as your hatred for an entire community of people just because they happen to be supported by right wingers.

 

[Mr Moose]

Yet your argument is predicated on the simplistic "The Falklands are British". Like I said, the Falklands exist solely as an object of right-wing political correctness and expressing a point of view that contradicts the dominant (Thatcherite) narrative is regarded as heresy. Can you wrap your head around that?

My point was neither "unconnected" nor "unreasonable".

My argument is not that the Islands are British but the Islanders are. It's up to them.

Are you actually going to answer any questions? About why it is different, let's say to the Canary Islands, 60 miles from Morocco yet Spanish?

Or will you just say 'Thatcher' every so often as if it's some kind of Top Trump?

 

[Pickman's model]

My argument is not that the Islands are British but the Islanders are. It's up to them.

Are you actually going to answer any questions? About why it is different, let's say to the Canary Islands, 60 miles from Morocco yet Spanish?

or the channel islands, nearer france than england yet a british dependency

 

[kebabking]

or indeed the French Islands of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, just 20 miles from Canada, yet somehow the Canadian electorate manages to retain its pants while 6,000 Frenchies flagrantly eat snails, listen to dreadful europop and ban soap within sight of Canada?

how can Canada truly be a nation while there are people in the world who aren't Canadian?

 

[gosub]

or indeed the French Islands of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, just 20 miles from Canada, yet somehow the Canadian electorate manages to retain its pants while 6,000 Frenchies flagrantly eat snails, listen to dreadful europop and ban soap within sight of Canada?

how can Canada truly be a nation while there are people in the world who aren't Canadian?

There are no Patagonian members of the Welsh Assembly either