littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ah, killer b was right. It's the wrong sort of electorate. Sack the voters.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's closer to 20 per cent when you include those not on the electoral register. A whole 1 in 5 adults voted Tory at the last election.Only if you ignore the fact that only 24% of the electorate actually elected the blue bastards.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're not comparing like with like. Well done.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
London was the only place Labour did well?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So, not too much of a problem to round them up and send them to the PD "Peoples' Education and Work Experience" camps come the glorious day, then?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That's not what I said. You can't have a debate where you make up what you'd like your interlocutor to have said, and then answer that.
Well, at least not without looking like a bit of a dick.
Sad thing is that you're not even doing it deliberately - you're just assuming that anything which disagrees with your world view must be parroted from someone else's.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
when you become a member of your local party you cease to be a constituent and have any roots or concerns around your local area and its politics.
That's exactly what the Corbynistas think we need to do.
"It's the electorate that are wrong" that is their most common refrain.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Someone else has posted figures already, but here are some more...
YouGov | Trident: to keep, scrap or downgrade
In favour of renewing Trident OR finding a cheaper nuclear weapons system.... 66%
Giving up nuclear weapons altogether.... 20%
If there was no cheaper alternative to Trident then those figures become 56% and 29% respectively.
There was effectively a vote on whether or not to remove nukes in the 1983 election when it became the major factor in Labour's massive defeat. I don't think public attitudes to an 'independent' deterrent have changed that much since then, unless you can show otherwise.
No, but you are a tiny fraction of them. MPs should be accountable to their constituents as a wholewhen you become a member of your local party you cease to be a constituent and have any roots or concerns around your local area and its politics.
These don't count because they show he is wrong.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they are, we like to call that 'elections'
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Right. So back to Corbyn and his disdain for his electorates. 60 per cent of all votes cast in his constituency, where he's been MP for decades so everyone knows who he is and what he stands for. A clear trouncing of his opponents in the leadership election, in which he stood on a clear platform of returning to some kind of socialism.
What exactly is he getting wrong here?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
No, yours is shit you sectarian bastard
Apologies I thought I was talking to an advanced element of the class...my mistake.
Louis MacNeice
Convenient you change the point when found to be wrong.
Oh I forgot, the left can't be wrong, it's someone's fault, like those in labour, or the media, or the electorate.
Nothing there. He is an excellent constituency MP.
He is a terrible leader and will lead labour to oblivion. Hopefully he won't get the chance.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
They are - but most people in safe seats vote for a party rather than an individual. In which case, members of the local party should be able to choose - if they wish - a candidate who represents the view of the local party, rather than a candidate imposed on them while the national party was under a different management.
I don't disagree as a principle for first deciding.
I do disagree with these witch hunts. You're making excuses to try to stop labour being a broad church.
These are people with thousands of votes and you want a couple of dozen to overturn that.
Like I said, contempt for the electorate.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's a good example of a flawed survey. 'should find a cheaper system' - like what, exactly?
As in the other survey quoted, there are more clearly in favour of Trident than clearly against it, but both are minorities. The majority in favour of nukes in principle is a soft one, and the survey was disingenuous in offering a 'cheaper nukes' option.
And I don't agree with you about the 83 election. There was way more to it than that, and in any case it was more than a generation ago.
Told you it wouldn't be ok because it shows what is obvious - they're wrong. But the far left cannot be wrong.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I see, so I should be grateful because you posted some polls up? Hilarious. What you don't do is explore the reasons behind those numbers. I guess asking you to think critically on this issue would be too much to ask. No?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
So Labour parliamentary candidates should be selected by their local party members.
What evidence of actual witch hunts - as opposed to speculation - do you have?
How should MPs be held accountable to the party which plays a huge role in their election?
Louis MacNeice
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You are Dan Hodges and I claim my five quid.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No, I dealt directly with the numbers. Given that one of the options was in some (unspecified) way 'downgrading' the nuclear weaponry, you could also spin those same numbers as saying that only 32 per cent are in favour of renewing Trident, while 54 per cent are against renewing Trident.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
What I tend to get by way of reply when I point this out to the anti-Corbyn mob is "members aren't the electorate".
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
before all this re animation of labour left the last event I recall taking an interest in was dennis skinner being ousted from the NEC. Thats the last of them then, thought I.
There was no room at chapel for old labour views.
There aren't any witch hunts - the Graun survey (which bears out my own observations) is that there's little appetite for deselection in the CLPs. There's a few shouty cocks on twitter going we'll deselect you, bitch, but y'know - twitter's full of shouty cocks being shouty cocks. They serve little purpose but to allow people like you to whine about being bullied.
If boundary changes mean newly created seats though - Why should the CLPs should have to choose from the current incumbents of the old seats?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And of course, the last labour leader to conduct what really could be called a witch hunt was a certain A Blair.
Hodges wouldn't post on a site where he didn't get paid, though it does sound like him.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not even dan hodges could be so stupid
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