Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[MarkyMarrk]

If only we can get the non-voters to vote for us.
Except for the majority of them, whom polls suggest don't agree with us.
So, our new leader will get the non-voters who agree with us to vote for us, but make sure that other non-voters will not become voters.
Then we'll win the election, without persuading anyone who doesn't already agree with us.

 

[existentialist]

Bless

 

[Pickman's model]

If only we can get the non-voters to vote for us.
Except for the majority of them, whom polls suggest don't agree with us.
So, our new leader will get the non-voters who agree with us to vote for us, but make sure that other non-voters will not become voters.
Then we'll win the election, without persuading anyone who doesn't already agree with us.

tbh the only way you'll get folk to vote for you is if they're voting for a permaban

 

[brogdale]

If only we can get the non-voters to vote for us.
Except for the majority of them, whom polls suggest don't agree with us.
So, our new leader will get the non-voters who agree with us to vote for us, but make sure that other non-voters will not become voters.
Then we'll win the election, without persuading anyone who doesn't already agree with us.

Without resorting to italics, perhaps it would save some grief if you just stated your preferred 2020 GE outcome.

 

[Nylock]

I'm betting he goes for 'Labour win with a Blairite at the helm'...
Or: 'if we don't bin corbyn, then we'll get another term of Tories'...
ofc, if he stopped lying to himself he could just come out with 'conservative win would be nice'....

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm betting he goes for 'Labour win with a Blairite at the helm'...
Or: 'if we don't bin corbyn, then we'll get another term of Tories'...
ofc, if he stopped lying to himself he could just come out with 'conservative win would be nice'....

some sort of labour w(h)in(e) anyway

 

[redcogs]

Corby on Marr prog this morning (17/01/2016, The Andrew Marr Show - BBC One).

He scores very highly on the statesmanlike plausibility scale for this particular cynic, easily a match for anything the Tory or the Blairite tory scumbags could offer. How anyone could believe that a Corbyn led Labour Party would be unelectable in 2020 is entirely beyond me.

 

[J Ed]

PETER HITCHENS: The pacifists are right...Trident IS a waste of money

 

[MarkyMarrk]

I'm betting he goes for 'Labour win with a Blairite at the helm'...
Or: 'if we don't bin corbyn, then we'll get another term of Tories'...
ofc, if he stopped lying to himself he could just come out with 'conservative win would be nice'....

Why don't you just join the Tories?

 

[J Ed]

Why don't you just join the Tories?

Why don't you

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Without resorting to italics, perhaps it would save some grief if you just stated your preferred 2020 GE outcome.

Labour majority.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Corby on Marr prog this morning (17/01/2016, The Andrew Marr Show - BBC One).

He scores very highly on the statesmanlike plausibility scale for this particular cynic, easily a match for anything the Tory or the Blairite tory scumbags could offer. How anyone could believe that a Corbyn led Labour Party would be unelectable in 2020 is entirely beyond me.

Why don't the electorate just join the Tories?

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Why don't the media just join the Tories?

 

[teqniq]

This is pretty lame trolling, to be fair.

 

[stethoscope]

Why don't the media just join the Tories?

Because they are already party members.

 

[existentialist]

Without resorting to italics, perhaps it would save some grief if you just stated your preferred 2020 GE outcome.

He's waiting to be told.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes I do. You've been living in fantasyland too long.

Back when I was sitting on the German plains, waiting for Armageddon, most of the people I worked with, other ranks and officers, put absolutely no faith in the nuclear deterrent - that mystical, mythical force that supposedly would prevent first strikes from either side - even though back then we had the RAF's considerable stock of air-drop material to hand. The reason we didn't believe in the deterrent effect was the volume of British and US tanks and infantry in Germany, and the fact that both blocs knew that the only way to go through each other was to use limited "strategic" strikes at massing points and/or on garrison towns. What limited both sides from taking the option wasn't a nuclear threat from their enemies, it was that if they did use nuclear warfare, they'd have to a) hopscotch their troops over and around the sites of their strategic strikes - difficult when garrisoning effectively created a screen, and air cover could selectively remove deployed assets with conventional weapons - and b), literal "blowback". Check out the prevailing weather patterns between central and northern Germany, and the Warsaw Pact states. Fallout was as likely to go east well into Soviet Russia as it was to go west, over Europe.

I don't live in fantasyland. On the contrary, I learned about this stuff first-hand. All the UK's "independent" nuclear deterrent is, is a political mechanism. What it buys us is not freedom or safety. What it bought, and still buys the UK, is crumbs from the US's table.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why don't the media just join the Tories?

You're shit, and you know you are.

 

[butchersapron]

How long have you been in the labour party Markymarrk?

 

[DotCommunist]

Why don't the electorate just join the Tories?

most of these wreckers you mention so frequently were returners from rage quitting over the iraq war or other nulab deal breakers for that individual. They aren't stealing your party they are attemting to steer it back in a social democratic direction. Best of luck to them I say. When burnham stands victorious over the corpse of corbyn with a red red hand you can say 'finally! electable' and then you'll get rejected at the ballot again for only offering a paler shade of tory and without their ruthless efficiency

 

[Mr Moose]

Defence may not be the biggest issue (although it's another stick), but governance will be. The suggestion that we might keep a denuked Trident with no greater strategic reason than to protect jobs is a total vote loser. The voters who will make the difference will want clear decision making and may not like colossal amounts of cash thrown after not so many jobs, rather than at a lot of jobs, particularly in Scotland. Massive English resentment would follow.

 

[redcogs]

If Corbyn is wise, and it increasingly appears that he is, he will make job creation the central strategy in the run up to 2020. After the economy collapses again (within the next medium period?) unemployment could easily become the number one deal for millions of people, particularly for young people and graduates who may value a decent career with long term prospects above shelf filling for peanuts. We need homes building, hospitals invested in, libraries expanded, welfare provision improved, ie the fairness and equality agenda that Jezz is already promoting can create millions of jobs in a Keynesian economy that decisively steps away from austerity.

It is far too pessimistic to believe that the significant numbers of the English electorate could not be won to a position of supporting a non nuclear defence position - many on the right already appear to be there (see Portillo and Hitchens above).

 

[treelover]

We still need the 'Green Jobs that politicians have been promising,

Oh, Dave now calls that "the green crap"

 

[Dogsauce]

It does sound like nonsense, you're more likely to get the electorate on your side by arguing that Trident is massively expensive than by pointing out it's bad because it could vapourise babies.

The tories will be playing this card for as long as they can, to keep other topics from being debated. Same way the immigration debate dominated the last parliament.

 

[Nylock]

Why don't you just join the Tories?

Well, why don't you? If you're a member of the right wing of labour then there's provably little to distinguish you from them. If you're from the centre/left of the party then suggest an alternative that presents the electorate with a clear choice between lab and con and quit fucking about with all this 'corbynista' bullshit.

Money where your mouth is pal.

 

[Brainaddict]

Important news here from one of the UK's most serious newspapers: Jeremy Corbyn won't name his cat and instead simply calls it 'the cat'

 

[existentialist]

Important news here from one of the UK's most serious newspapers: Jeremy Corbyn won't name his cat and instead simply calls it 'the cat'

I did not realise that he and I have that in common. To me, all cats are called "cat".

 

[Brainaddict]

I did not realise that he and I have that in common. To me, all cats are called "cat".

Then you are deviant and a WEIRDO. Seems to be the thrust of the story anyway. Look! Corbyn doesn't even name his cat like normal people! And he uses foreign lingo! Probably because he hates Britain!

Desperate stuff.

 

[existentialist]

Important news here from one of the UK's most serious newspapers: Jeremy Corbyn won't name his cat and instead simply calls it 'the cat'

Actually, that article tells us many interesting things.

For a start, the facility with Spanish. We can look forward to the media spinning that into some kind of connection with Spanish Civil War communists, I expect.

Also, he's done a nice job on the bike crowdfunding story - he's going to donate the whole lot to charity, and buy himself the bike for his birthday. I think that's quite neat positioning

They'll have to find a crowdfunder who's resentful that his pledge will not be manifesting in its rightful place as front left-hand brake block, and get some kind of "the duplicity of leftie bike beneficiary" story out of it.

 

[redcogs]

It is completely understandable that the trade unions which organise within the UK's defence supply industry are raising concerns about the impact on jobs should a Corbyn government become a reality. However it is surely the case that an imaginative 'swords to ploughshares' agenda could easily create far more jobs than currently engaged in wastefully building weapons delivery systems etc. The next four years could/should see many such ideas coming forward from Labours newly energised membership. The Blairite thickheads in parliament who will be the reactionary cheerleaders in this matter (and many others) need to get out of the way, or, more satisfyingly, be pushed.