Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[MarkyMarrk]

You don't appear to understand either electoral dynamics, political tribalism or the current political system of "parliamentary democracy".
Local party members don't have the power to choose their prospective parliamentary candidate. The hierarchy of the national party allocated that power to itself 20 years ago, in order to parachute followers of the Blairite project into seats.

Yes, but the above won't be elected by the electorate if you are correct with your ear to the ground.
I suspect you talk bollocks and they'll be elected with significant majorities.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Not really. Corbyn is the first in a long time to try and shift Labour from it's centre-right (Blairite) position. And look at the consternation it's creating!

Miliband didn't try to move Labour left? Ha hahahaha. Now we're in fantasy ultra-left world.

 

[Nylock]

You don't appear to understand either electoral dynamics, political tribalism or the current political system of "parliamentary democracy".
Local party members don't have the power to choose their prospective parliamentary candidate. The hierarchy of the national party allocated that power to itself 20 years ago, in order to parachute followers of the Blairite project into seats.

Which is why they are chucking their dolly out of the pram these days due to the suggestion that this choice be handed back to the CLP MarkyMarrk

 

[Nylock]

Miliband didn't try to move Labour left? Ha hahahaha. Now we're in fantasy ultra-left world.

 

[DotCommunist]

milliband was to the left of blair in the manner that pinochet was left of hitler

 

[MarkyMarrk]

I'm chucking my toys out of the pram at the destruction of the labour party by those who have been members five minutes and supported other parties in previous elections.

Yes.

It's clear that when the election goes awry Corbynistas will call it the media's fault.

 

[stethoscope]

Miliband didn't try to move Labour left? Ha hahahaha. Now we're in fantasy ultra-left world.

What things did he actually do/say to shift it left then?

 

[stethoscope]

PS. I couldn't give a shit what happens to Labour.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

milliband was to the left of blair in the manner that pinochet was left of hitler

We are in batshit doolally far left world here.
No wonder the electorate fuck the Labour Party off.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

PS. I couldn't give a shit what happens to Labour.

This makes discussion pointless with trolls like you that don't care.

 

[Nylock]

I'm chucking my toys out of the pram at the destruction of the labour party by those who have been members five minutes and supported other parties in previous elections.

Yes.

It's clear that when the election goes awry Corbynistas will call it the media's fault.

Christ almighty.

 

[stethoscope]

This makes discussion pointless with trolls like you that don't care.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'm chucking my toys out of the pram at the destruction of the labour party by those who have been members five minutes and supported other parties in previous elections.

One more time: all sections of the Labour Party except the PLP backed Corbyn. Why do you persist in the 'johnny come lately wreckers' bullshit?

Louis MacNeice

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm chucking my toys out of the pram at the destruction of the labour party by those who have been members five minutes and supported other parties in previous elections.

Yes.

It's clear that when the election goes awry Corbynistas will call it the media's fault.

Shit Dan Hodges,

You're just a shit Dan Hodges,

Shit Daaaaaaan Hooooooodges

 

[teqniq]

I'm chucking my toys out of the pram at the destruction of the labour party by those who have been members five minutes and supported other parties in previous elections.

Yes.

It's clear that when the election goes awry Corbynistas will call it the media's fault.

If you are right the media will hold a hight degree of responsibility. They are very much part of the problem. Corbyn's political position is not in reality 'hard left', he is a social democrat. Everything has drifted so far to the right his views and policies are deemed complete anathema.

 

[DotCommunist]

We are in batshit doolally far left world here.
No wonder the electorate fuck the Labour Party off.

you know what an exagerration for comedy is mark?

I spent the entirety of eds campaigning mocking this idea that he was the new lenin. Asked lots of people what policies he proposed were left? All I got was 'red ed'. Look, he eats a bacon sandwhich akwardly! Then after GE the labour right lined up to solemnly swear that now and forever more you cannot win an election from the left and they are sorry for trying (they didn't). Then your entire party, all sections gives an old labour social democrat the biggest mandate in recent history, more than St Tony of Blair. Seems to be a disconnect in what a vocal labour right PLP want and what the party as a whole want.

 

[gosub]

It's clear that when the election goes awry Corbynistas will call it the media's fault.

To be honest, I'm already confused by how bad polling can be dismissed coz he's getting bad press. The poll numbers may well be down to the hate/hate relationship he's having with the press, but they are still the poll numbers.

 

[killer b]

This isn't even fun.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Blair to Brown to Miliband to Corbyn.

Ah, several fallacious claims.
First, Blair to Brown was not a shift leftward, regardless of the fatuous claims made by the press about Brown being a secret lefty because of the vaguely-redistributive qualities of Tax Credits - a policy which was actually the state shoring up business by means of an indirect subsidy. Brown enacted no "leftist" policies, and Blair only enacted one notable policy that could broadly be called "centre left" - the nation "minimum wage".
Brown to Miliband is only a shift leftward if you count Miliband's flirtations with "Blue Labour" ideas and time-limited state intervention on utilities prices as leftism. They may have been represented as leftism, but any non value-laden analysis points up that such policies tend to be politically-neutral, in order to appeal as widely as possible (check out the support for the leccy freeze - strong support across the board from right-voters polled).
Miliband to Corbyn is a shift leftward, but only in regard to rhetoric, and even that is strongly contested within the Parliamentary Party (although not in the national membership).

IE left to left to left.

Arithmetic? Look at the elections.

I have. In detail. What do you think that the electoral results in the last...lets say 3...elections show?

 

[stethoscope]

This makes discussion pointless with trolls like you that don't care.

Oh, I cared alright. For too many years. And then I accepted only recently they were never going to challenge neo-liberalism, and their version of politics was just a 'not as quick/hard cuts and private ideology as the Tories' one. And yet, Corbyn is about the only thing for years to try and shift that a little (still to only democratic socialist at best), and Labour (and you seemingly) are criticising that too?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm worried about who might attack us, and the threats from despots, yes. More importantly, I think politicians should be.
Our nuclear deterrent is a nuclear deterrent. That's a good thing. It has kept us safe in the past. It may continue to, and that's enough to keep it.

Woeful analytical thinking. There is no proof that the UK nuclear deterrent (as opposed to, say, the US and Russian nuclear deterrents)has prevented attacks/"kept us safe". Since we decommissioned our air-dropped nuclear bombs and the planes that carried them, the "threat" our nuclear submarines pose has been minimal, unless you believe the briefings/PR puffs that the MoD puts out.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think MPs should be answerable to their local party.

This. Absolutely this.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Here we go. Exactly the same style as those who seek to make the Labour Party unelectable.

Not really. He's making an obvious point - your ability to assemble a coherent argument behind your opinions isn't great, on the evidence of your posts on various threads. Your arguments appear to consist of consensus opinion recycled as original thought.

 

[ViolentPanda]

In case you didn't notice the result of the last election, and the one before that, the Labour Party has already made itself unelectable. Whatever Corbyn might do, he certainly can't make the situation any worse - do these apologists for "New" Labour really think that, having been comprehensively shown the door by the electorate twice, more of the same is somehow going to magically work next time?

Hence the desperate scramble by the Labour right/Progressites to provide and perpetuate the narrative that a turn leftward was and is responsible for electoral disaffection - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

[existentialist]

I'm chucking my toys out of the pram at the destruction of the labour party by those who have been members five minutes and supported other parties in previous elections.

Yes.

It's clear that when the election goes awry Corbynistas will call it the media's fault.

If the election goes awry, they'd have a point. And the right-wing Labour Party and our venal and supine press will have only themselves to blame - nobody could seriously suggest that the monstering of Corbyn by both of those has been in any way creditable or decent, far less honest.

 

[existentialist]

This makes discussion pointless with trolls like you that don't care.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll"?

That's quite some projection.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Poll: 25 of Brits and 48 of Scots think UK should scrap Trident

FactCheck: Does Britain want to scrap Trident?

HuffPost Labour Conference Poll: Little Support For Scrapping Trident

May I suggest you review the datasets of those polls, particularly the sample sizes in comparison to the size of the electorate. projections from such small samples is no better than haruspexy.

 

[teqniq]

May I suggest you review the datasets of those polls, particularly the sample sizes in comparison to the size of the electorate. projections from such small samples is no better than haruspexy.

*liked for new word that I had to look up.*

 

[two sheds]

From that Inde article:

the fate of many of his internal critics will be in the hands of party members who will choose the candidates when new seats are created.

If the Blairites get voted out it will be a Stalinist purge by extremists, if they don't it will be a decisive rejection of Corbyn's candidates by the party rank and file.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'll take that as a no.

Take it as me recommending that rather giving you a link to a single article, you inform yourself by reading around a subject that obviously interests you. Personally, I don't form opinions based on single articles, and I find anyone that does somewhat juvenile.