LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The initial camerawork is pretty sloppy. Can't they zoom out properly?
Two fucking awful jokes in the first 2 minutes. I didn't last much beyond that.
Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media
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Two fucking awful jokes in the first 2 minutes. I didn't last much beyond that.
I quickly switched it off at 'even the most intimate of human relations'
boak.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Tbh, I didn't watch it for long. I think I lasted about 2 minutes.
stethoscope
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Admittedly I don't keep up with things so much these days, but I wasn't aware that 'mainstream media' had potentially negative connotations these days 
I've always used it to refer to BBC, Sky, Guardian, Times, Mail, etc. as opposed to say Schnews, Indymedia, even Morning Star as being some sort of 'non mainstream' outlet?
I've always used it to refer to BBC, Sky, Guardian, Times, Mail, etc. as opposed to say Schnews, Indymedia, even Morning Star as being some sort of 'non mainstream' outlet?
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yeah its been stolen by conspiraloons and brit far rightersAdmittedly I don't keep up with things so much these days, but I wasn't aware that 'mainstream media' had potentially negative connotations these days
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
...who invariably use it against any media outlet, great or small, that doesn't buy in to their fuckspuddery.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
Its a term to cover television and popular press surely.
That's such an MSM line...
Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
Re: all things against mainstream media, there's an event/open space on Saturday (17 Oct) near New Cross Gate titled "How to create a media democracy?" hosted by the Media Reform Group. (Details at How Can We Create Media Democracy? Media Democracy Festival 2015 #MDFest15). Anyone going?
gimesumtruf
pedant fodder
Translation:-
Corbyn & the cabinet were rubbish and busted from the start, without the media anywhere near then.
Watch this space!
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
But you want politicians who don't just lie without turning a hair, but also see it as a badge of statesmanship; so I won't be relying on your judgement.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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teqniq
DisMembered
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, that's what we're debating - how different people use "mainstream media" to mean different things.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
well, as a non-conspiraloon, i'll happily say that i view anyone who uses 'mainstream media', and (tbh) 'elites', as a bit of a looper. its a sign. not perhaps as definative as 'sheeple', but its a sign that someone is on that road...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I can happily say that I don't.
good for you. Many people do though, and it's worth considering which terms are going to make people roll their eyes and switch off, if only so you can communicate more effectively. You don't really need to persuade anyone who knows and understands Chomsky do you? If the common response to a certain term is 'probably a nutter', it's probably best to drop it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Is it common?
Sorry, but if one person's going to post what they feel about something as evidence of something, me posting how I feel about it is just as valid.
Yeah, and it's valid for me to respond to your post too. Isn't that how discussions work?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well the evidence of this thread is that there are some who see conspiraloon connotations and others who don't. I would suggest that the majority of people don't pay any attention to Icke and truthers and the like.
The concensus on this thread seems to suggest it's crossing over into conspiracy territory, and my own observations suggest the same. I haven't done any actual quantitive research on the topic though.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I'd consider use of 'mainstream media' or particularly 'MSM' as something of an amber light for conspiracy loonism. It definitely has a bit of that associated with it IMO.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Many people who don't pay any attention to "Icke and truthers and the like" also think they are mental.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Just 'media' will do.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Similar to how I use the amount of badges someone is wearing as a sign of their unhinged/shit politics.
One badge = fine.
Two badges = hmmm, OK fair enough, but be careful.
Three badges = possibly getting into quite odd territory.
Loads of badges = quite obviously potty.
There's something about the size of badges and whether they're located on the clothes or a hat too, but that's getting into too much detail.
They ignore them because they think they're mental. And they'll ignore you too, if you score too highly in the conspiraloon tropes stakes.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
And they would be right to ignore [the hypothetical me]. Or anyone who doesn't make an effort to engage with people in a way that resonates with them.
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