Commie Bastards have one more success in Nepal!

[Streathamite]

one problem with that; if you start off down the road of saying 'we need a good, strong leader' - you end up with, at best, a Peron, and, at worst, a Hitler or a Stalin (both of whom were massively popular in their societies). A Leader is not enough. One man (and in Nepal it WILL be a man) is not enough to deal with the countervailing influences of the material, political and social conditions - and above all, the class conditions, that have - in combination with your current arrogant tyrant - brought Nepal to the situation it faces today.
One man will never be enough. Gandhi could never have done anything without the vigorous, and impatient Congress movement that were ready to act, and make sacrifices, to drive the Brits out.
I believe you need - at the very least - a Movement, because only a mass of people can create the collective dynamism (together with at least SOMETHING that has an element of representing SOME part of the nepali people). And there also - clearly - needs to be some systematic understanding of WHY actions-for-change in the past have led to nothing, so as to avoid a simple repetition of the failures of the past.

i dont know. Thats where the seeking of the solution halts. The key lies to sensible people. But where are they in Nepal? Nowhere.

this was the saddest and most heartbreaking line of your post. because it rings so true.

 

[Jessiedog]

Quote:

i dont know. Thats where the seeking of the solution halts. The key lies to sensible people. But where are they in Nepal? Nowhere.

this was the saddest and most heartbreaking line of your post. because it rings so true.

Indeed.

It sums things up in a nutshell.

Sad.

Tragic.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

So much has happened in Nepal since our last spat on here.

I hope you lot have been keeping up as a bun fight is to about to resume.




So then a victory for the maoists?

 

[Jessiedog]

Ahhhh.....

Haven't heard of a resumption.

I was just taking some time out to relax - thought things were improving.

Goes off to check.

Hope it doesn't kick off again.



Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

Oh dear.

I see that "Peoples' Courts" are flavour of the month.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

Hope it doesn't kick off again.



Woof

Prachanda has stated they will not go back to war as everybody has agreed to elect constituent assembly as was stated 10 years ago in the aim of the struggle.

But has warned of street protests if people start taking the piss.

 

[Jessiedog]

Prachanda has stated they will not go back to war as everybody has agreed to elect constituent assembly as was stated 10 years ago in the aim of the struggle.

But has warned of street protests if people start taking the piss.

Yeah.

And has also effectively condoned the "Peoples' Courts" that are currently killing people across the country.

He speaks against them in the most ambiguous of terms - it's entirely disingenuous.

It's not done yet.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

KATHMANDU: Nepal's Maoists have revealed for the first time how many soldiers they have 36,000 in remarks published on Tuesday, a week after Kathmandu invited the United Nations to monitor arms of insurgents and the state army.

"We are about 36,000 (fighters) in the People's Liberation Army now," Bibidh (one name), a Maoist commander was quoted by the Nepali daily Kantipur as saying. "This keeps on changing at the time of fighting."

It was the first time the Maoists have disclosed the number of their fighters since they began fighting against the monarchy in 1996 in a conflict which has killed more than 13,000 people.

Nepalese officials have estimated rebel strength at around 15,000 combatants versus a government army of 100,000.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com//articleshow/1732775.cms?

 

[DrRingDing]

And has also effectively condoned the "Peoples' Courts" that are currently killing people across the country.

I hope you have some reputable links for those claims.

 

[Jessiedog]

I hope you have some reputable links for those claims.

It was on nepalnews.com the day I posted it.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

So you don't have a link to back up the claims of a mass slaughter of innocents up and down the country.

I've been keeping a close eye on the Nepal news, as you could imagine, and have not seen any mention of this at all.

 

[Jessiedog]

Like I say, it was reported on nepalnews.com on the 3rd of July.

I've tried to find the article, but can't seem to get their search function to work.

You support these murdering cunts, do you?

Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

Like I say, it was reported on nepalnews.com on the 3rd of July.

One supposed solitary article?

mmm...

 

[Jessiedog]

One supposed solitary article?

mmm...

I only read it in one. I didn't read others, there may have been other reports.

Would it really be surprising for the Maoists to exact revenge in this way?

I don't find it so.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

"Rupandehi, Nepalese Maoists on Monday stopped attempts by Hindu fundamentalists to raise a chorus for restoring the Himalayan nation as a Hindu nation.

A large majority of Maoist rebels, who have waged a violent war for the past 10 years, form the ethnic minorities with almost no representation in the state's decision-making bodies. The Maoists were the first ones to welcome the secular status of the nation.

"Our major demand at the moment is restoration of democracy in Nepal. These (restoration of Hindu nation) are tactics to waver the people from their path, these tactics of religious demands are made by vested interests. We are against the monarch, against the authoritarian rule of the King, not against any religion per se," said Ghanshyam Ghatav, a Maoist leader who led the protest march against the pro-Hinduism rally. "

http://www.keralanext.com/news/?id=820608

Damn those evil maoists!

 

[Streathamite]

mealy mouthed fucker.
what the hell is a maoist doing saying he is "not against any religion per se".
He damned well should be!
actually, i suppose you could see it as a sign of their growing political maturity - seeking to unite rather than divide for the sake of the goal of democracy.

 

[DrRingDing]

i suppose you could see it as a sign of their growing political maturity - seeking to unite rather than divide for the sake of the goal of democracy.

Well they have to perform a perilous balancing act both within the country and with India, China, Israel, US and UK.

China and Israel are supplying arms to the Royal Nepali Army and the Seps and UK are supplying logistics and training. India is being a pain in the arse at every opportunity.

The Prachanda Path is a kinda 'third way' which I hope is nothing to do with the Giddens idea.

 

[DrRingDing]

They're doing it for *politics* not for *religion* so its all just *fine*

The fighters, leaders and agitators I have spoken and worked with, which are fighting the PW (Peoples War) are often because of personal loss in their lives that would of been preventable if there was a half reasonable infrastructure within the country.

This is not some airy fairy English anarchist idea of revolution these people have no choice.

 

[DrRingDing]

I have met not one mental masterbater within the ranks of the Maoists.

How many at the @ Bootsale? 95%?

 

[Jessiedog]

The fighters, leaders and agitators I have spoken and worked with, which are fighting the PW (Peoples War) are often because of personal loss in their lives that would of been preventable if there was a half reasonable infrastructure within the country.

This is not some airy fairy English anarchist idea of revolution these people have no choice.

Bollocks!

The Maoists are nasty fuckers, who use the poor for their own political ends.

Thank fuck the fighting has stopped.

Now, hopefully, with just a wee bit of a democracy, the Maoists will have no real power in any future governments.

Thank fuck.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

Bollocks!

The Maoists are nasty fuckers, who use the poor for their own political ends.

None of the maoists I have met were nothing but humble, commited, clear, honest and pure in their intentions.

The only arses I've met in Nepal were foreign activists.

 

[DrRingDing]

Bollocks!

The Maoists are nasty fuckers, who use the poor for their own political ends.

...and to continue against your propaganda induced lies the members of the PLA I've met were from many different castes.

 

[DrRingDing]

When your child dies of preventable causes and your others have to do hard labour from the age of 5 because you have no money to feed them let alone give them and education. Something radical has to be done.

Change must come.

 

[DrRingDing]

Now, hopefully, with just a wee bit of a democracy, the Maoists will have no real power in any future governments.

Thank fuck.



Woof

Oh fuck me yes, bourgouise parlimentarianism to the rescue of the poor!

 

[Jessiedog]

Oh fuck me yes, bourgouise parlimentarianism to the rescue of the poor!

I doubt that democracy will kill 13,000 poor peeps, within a decade.



Let the people decide if they want the Maoists in power (or anywhere near its levers).



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

I doubt that democracy will kill 13,000 poor peeps, within a decade.

By starving the masses of hospitals and food it does and probably more.

 

[Jessiedog]

By starving the masses of hospitals and food it does and probably more.

I see.

Democracy is worse than civil war.



OK then.

*shrugs*



I repeat:

Let the people decide if they want the Maoists in power (or anywhere near its levers).



Woof

 

[Streathamite]

Bollocks!

The Maoists are nasty fuckers, who use the poor for their own political ends.

umm, the raises the issue of the cynicism vis a vis sincerity of the maoists (i.e. any genuine maoist is in it totally for the poor). nowhere here have you actually backed up the claim that they are in it just to 'use the poor' for their own ends, rather than being there to aid them.
(I may have missed it due to this thread's huge size).
as it's a key point how about doing so now?

 

[DrRingDing]

I repeat:

Let the people decide if they want the Maoists in power (or anywhere near its levers).

Have you completely forgoten everything that the CPN(M) have been DEMANANDING CONSISTENTLY for the last fuck knows years!?

A constituent assembly.

ffs

It's time to get over your idealistic obsession with pacifism and get on board with the pragmatic and postive moves the people of Nepal are making.

Come the elections expect the maoists to do very well.

...and you can quote me on that in about 6 months.

 

[DrRingDing]

umm, the raises the issue of the cynicism vis a vis sincerity of the maoists (i.e. any genuine maoist is in it totally for the poor). nowhere here have you actually backed up the claim that they are in it just to 'use the poor' for their own ends, rather than being there to aid them.
(I may have missed it due to this thread's huge size).
as it's a key point how about doing so now?

Jessidog, bless 'im is a pacifist. This is the real issue.

Not a realist.