Commie Bastards have one more success in Nepal!

[Streathamite]

I suspect that Prachanda knows this quite well, and it is one of the pressures towards accepting the constituent assembly as a strategy.

but he accepted this, a long way back, as a central part of their platform

 

[kropotkin]

Are you saying that you don't think that the tactics Maoism has chosen in Nepal are effected by the fact that both China and India are arming the Monarchy and stand to lose out in a big way re internal politics in the event of a napalese revolution?

 

[DrRingDing]

Are you saying that you don't think that the tactics Maoism has chosen in Nepal are effected by the fact that both China and India are arming the Monarchy and stand to lose out in a big way re internal politics in the event of a napalese revolution?

Potentiallly yes becasue the communists are potentially less coruptable than the the status quo.

 

[Streathamite]

Are you saying that you don't think that the tactics Maoism has chosen in Nepal are effected by the fact that both China and India are arming the Monarchy and stand to lose out in a big way re internal politics in the event of a napalese revolution?

yes, but it's virtually impossible to work out which policies have been most affected/influenced by that, and to what extent, as compared to all the other things weighing on the minds of their policy formers .
second, like I say, this is a longstanding policy (chosen I suspect cos there's no credible answer to it), so it can mhardly come about as a result of any recent pressure.
I also think it unlikely china will 'send troops to 'support the monarchy' against an avowedly maoist organisation, not least because it makes them look, ideologocially speaking, a tad silly.
india may be a different matter

 

[kropotkin]

y
I also think it unlikely china will 'send troops to 'support the monarchy' against an avowedly maoist organisation, not least because it makes them look, ideologocially speaking, a tad silly.
india may be a different matter

I didn't say anything about sending troops. China is, however, supplying armaments and military aid to crush the Maoists and prop up the monarchy (Nepal imports practically all manufactured goods- from either India and China)

China pledges military aid to Nepal

ISN SECURITY WATCH (25/10/05) - The specter of fresh discord loomed over South Asia on Tuesday after China pledged fresh military aid to Nepal, in a move that aroused concern in neighboring India, which has halted all aid to Nepal since the country’s king seized power with the help of the army in February this year.

“China will give Nepal 8 million yuan [about US$990,000] as military assistance,” General Pyar Jung Thapa, chief of the Royal Nepalese Army, told journalists at the Tribhuvan International Airport in the capital on Tuesday after returning from a week-long official visit to Beijing at the invitation of China’s People’s Liberation Army.


<snip>


That was followed by a visit to China by Nepalese Foreign Minister Ramesh Nath Pandey to seek fresh support in August.

Pandey returned with an agreement in which China committed itself to an additional assistance of US$12.43 million, allowing Nepal to spend it any way it wanted.

Since the royal coup, China has given five armored personnel carriers to Nepal and signed an agreement to provide three aircraft, ignoring the policy of other donors.

The irony is that the Chinese aid will help the Nepalese Royal Army battle the guerrillas of the outlawed Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), who follow the teachings of Chinese leader Mao Tse Tung.

However, China refuses to call them Maoists and has labeled them “anti-government forces” instead.

<snip>

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=13270

 

[DrRingDing]

However, China refuses to call them Maoists and has labeled them “anti-government forces” instead.

So what does that tell us?

 

[kropotkin]

that when Red Jezza says

I also think it unlikely china will 'send troops to 'support the monarchy' against an avowedly maoist organisation

it is based on a misunderstanding of China's position towards the Nepalese Maoists.

 

[Jessiedog]

From today's SCMP.

Monday, November 20, 2006

NEPAL

Rebels recruit despite peace deal, says rights group


AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE in Kathmandu


Nepal's rebel Maoists continue to force people to join their army despite an impending landmark peace deal with the government, rights workers and newspaper reports said yesterday.

"The Maoist rebels have forcefully recruited more than 1,500 people, most of them children under 18, in the last week," Kundan Aryal, general secretary of the Informal Sector Service Centre (Insec), a human rights watchdog, said. The recruitment drive was in direct contradiction to the ceasefire code of conduct reached in May, when the rebels agreed to stop all forms of recruitment, Mr Aryal said.


The rebels and government were to sign a landmark peace deal tomorrow that would end the decade-long rebel insurgency.

The Maoists agreed to place their weapons and army under UN supervision in return for being allowed to enter government.

"The rebels have taken people from at least 24 districts, which cover the Maoist proposed cantonment sites across the country, since November 12," said Mr Aryal.

The rebels agreed to contain their People's Liberation Army and weapons in seven different areas across the country. The camps would be supervised by the UN. The Maoists had claimed their army was 35,000-strong, but other sources put their fighting force at closer to 12,000 soldiers.

Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala on Saturday asked the Maoists to stop recruiting rebel combatants. "Government attention has been drawn by the Maoists' act of recruiting children in their People's Liberation Army. I urge the Maoists to stop such activities," Mr Koirala was quoted as saying in the Nepali daily Kantipur.

Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

I spoken personally with a maoist army trainer and I pushed her on the age limit.

She replied noone under the age of 16 is allowed to join the army.

I asked why?

She basically said that they were unable to carry the load of a gun and gear over the required distances.

If you were a bit sharper you'd realise that the PM is saying this for political reasons not humanitarian ones, to give himself a bit of elbow room.

 

[Jessiedog]

Recruiting children?

Shurely not!

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 South China Morning Post

NEPAL

Maoists recruit teenagers 'to justify army numbers'


REUTERS in Khawar, Kathmandu


A teenager guards a Maoist village as efforts begin to unite rebels in camps under a peace deal. Photo: Reuters

Two of Lali Basnet's teenage daughters left home last week to join the Maoist rebel army. The youngest, just 14, was sent home because she was too young.

Her 15-year-old sister was accepted, one of thousands recruited just days before the peace deal is to be signed to end civil war.

"They were not supporters of the Maoists but they went because they were told they would get a job," the 40-year-old mother of six said, sitting outside their thatched hut in the country's southern plains.


As many as 4,500 children have been recruited by the communist rebels over the past month, said Human rights' group Insec's Kundan Aryal.

During peace talks, the Maoists claimed 35,000 fighters. But that was almost certainly bluster, analysts said. The rebels have had to move fast to gather in 28 UN-supervised camps this week.


"They don't have the numbers, so to maintain their credibility and show those numbers they are recruiting," said Bed Prasad Bhattarai, of the National Human Rights Commission, who is based in the town of Nepalgunj, 500km west of Kathmandu.

He said he had seen at least 500 recruits in just one location, the grounds of a primary school in Pidari village.

In nearby Khawar, Ms Basnet said her daughters were told they would get 5,000 rupees (HK$570) a month and ultimately a job in a new national army once the rebels merge with the state military.

For a family that can scarcely feed itself, it is an attractive offer. "My daughters asked us and we agreed they should go," she said.

Sher Bahadur Khadka also agreed that his 19-year-old brother and 18-year-old sister should go.

"They were studying but we couldn't afford to pay their school fees," he said.

"We were looking for work as labourers but then we heard someone was offering a job."

According to Maoist chief Prachanda, any recruits would not be counted in the final figures for the rebel People's Liberation Army, which he hopes will be integrated into a national army. That would disappoint many of the families whose children have just left home.


Officially, Maoists say you have to be 17 to join their army, but many admit they were 15 when they joined.



"This is inhuman and a crime," said Insec's Mr Aryal. "They are definitely not committed to child rights."

Nepal's government said child recruitment violated a code of conduct as part of a ceasefire in May. Mr Bhattarai said it would undermine the Maoist's credibility and ultimately make them even less popular.


Additional reporting by Associated Press

Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

Recruiting children?

Shurely not!






Woof

you can join the uk army at 16 I dont see you getting all upset and teary eyed over them.....and they see a lot more violence and action than members of the PLA!

 

[Jessiedog]

you can join the uk army at 16 I dont see you getting all upset and teary eyed over them.....and they see a lot more violence and action than members of the PLA!

The UK army is a voluntary army.

The maoists forcably conscript children. It's a bit different.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

The maoists forcably conscript children.

Got proof of that?

APART from your dodgy newspapers

 

[DrRingDing]

So yesterday was a momentous day in Nepali politics with the signing of the peace treaty that's been hacked out for the last fuck knows how many weeks.

With the editor of the Kathmandu Post calling for the Nobel Peace Prize for Prachanda

 

[DrRingDing]

People are celebrating in the streets within earshot as I write this.

 

[Jessiedog]

Got proof of that?

APART from your dodgy newspapers

As has been pointed out on this thread, many times, (for anyone who has the intestinal fortitude to wade through the multiple plethoras of rabbit-holing, sidetracking and other distractions, that is,) the sources provided that assert such maoist attrocities are impeccable.

Your sources on the other hand have been shown to be as thin as the paucity of any credible argument that purports to support them.

Repeatedly.



Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

People are celebrating in the streets within earshot as I write this.

Who wouldn't celebrate the locking up of arms and killers after a decade of maoist and royalist depravity?



Thank fuck that the monarchy and royal army is fucked too.



Now that most of the cunts have been sidelined for the time being, there may be some hope for some progress.



Woof

 

[likesfish]

civil wars are nasty brutish affairs even the limited war in ulster produced plenty of horror.
hopefully some varation of politics will take over

 

[DrRingDing]

Who wouldn't celebrate the locking up of arms and killers after a decade of maoist and royalist depravity?

^^hippy

 

[DrRingDing]

You have no idea about the amount of people here in Nepal that sympathise and even call themselves maoists.

The election is coming in Spring early Summer so lets see.

 

[Yossarian]

Since when is the South China Morning Post a dodgy newspaper?

 

[DrRingDing]

Since when is the South China Morning Post a dodgy newspaper?

.

 

[Yossarian]

To rephrase the question, why shouldn't I take the word of a paper that I've read regularly for more than ten years and generally found to be impressively impartial in its international coverage, over the word of some British tourist with a hard-on for somebody else's civil war?

 

[DrRingDing]

Yea cheers then.

I could rant and rave against the Maoists in Nepal all day if I wanted. I'm an anarchist and loathe the city living party line pushers.

But that doesn't mean I should be swallowing the crap that people write. Nepalis look very young and are very skinny (dhalbaat twice a day does not make you fat). You lob a gun in the hands of a 16 year old nepali and they will look like a child.

And people don't appreciate the choice these people have especially for the women.

A life of gruelling hard labour, servitude and discrimination or pick up a gun?

 

[Jessiedog]

Yea cheers then.

I could rant and rave against the Maoists in Nepal all day if I wanted. I'm an anarchist and loathe the city living party line pushers.

But that doesn't mean I should be swallowing the crap that people write. Nepalis look very young and are very skinny (dhalbaat twice a day does not make you fat). You lob a gun in the hands of a 16 year old nepali and they will look like a child.

And people don't appreciate the choice these people have especially for the women.

A life of gruelling hard labour, servitude and discrimination or pick up a gun?

Oh well.

I guess the good old maoist brainwashing still works, up to a point.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

The youngest I've heard of in the PLA is 15.

The youngest girl I've seen doing hard labour carrying slabs of marble is 5.

At least in the PLA they get some sort of education, food, comaradery, rights and a sense of a future worth fighting for.

What would the posters here do if they had the stark choice between oppression, misery and hard labour OR joining others in a struggle for improvements in your own and others lives?

 

[DrRingDing]

Rural Nepal is so poor and backward it's hurts and shocks.

 

[Jessiedog]

The youngest I've heard of in the PLA is 15.

I very much doubt it but, if you have a source, I'll take a look.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

I very much doubt it but, if you have a source, I'll take a look.

Uhm, that was a heard from a young maoist, no bourgeois media links I'm afraid.

I'm sure there are younger people but like I said there is a policy of not under 16s

 

[Jessiedog]

Uhm, that was a heard from a young maoist, no bourgeois media links I'm afraid.

So, it's just you and the maoists claiming this then?

I'm sure there are younger people but like I said there is a policy of not under 16s

Bollocks!

Again, it's just you and the maoists claiming this "policy", then.




Woof