Commie Bastards have one more success in Nepal!

[DrRingDing]

NOTHING PERSONAL PLEASE DUAF.

You are a very devious poster JD.

You use you personal experience as a jemmy in this arguement but when prodded to back up with a little detail you play this dirty little card.

Shocking

 

[Taxamo Welf]

I see that hateful Anti-Jewish bigotry is still alive and doing very well on this particular part of the forum...

Macabre, jessiedog, don't let yourselves be intimidated by these lunatics. They outnumber us in political threads and use despicable tactics to win their arguments... but you are not alone. There are normal decent non-communist people here. They can't shut us up if we don't want to be shut up.

i support your noble stand!!

GOD BLESS YOU SIR!

 

[Macabre]

You are a very devious poster JD.

You use you personal experience as a jemmy in this arguement but when prodded to back up with a little detail you play this dirty little card.

Shocking

What the Nepalis JD knows tell him and his relaying of it is of no consequence to his presonal life or background , nor mine, even if your way off the mark, made up comments about us had a sliver of truth to them. But its not as if your going to face the questions presented to you on your own thread head on, you'll probably continue to weasel your way around them with more slander and abuse. Just because a political group waves a red flag doesnt mean they have the peoples best interests at heart and the end does not justify the means.

 

[DrRingDing]

10 years of the peoples' war is it?

CPN(maoist) forming, 7 party, government in waiting is it?

Prachanda interviewed on the beeb, oh lordy!


Things are looking bad for you monarchists here

 

[Jessiedog]

I would urge anyone reading the end of this thread to read the whole thread and all the links provided.

This argument has been done and dusted and DUAF and his supporters were soundly thrashed. Thereafter, inevitably, DUAF deferred from addressing the progression of the debate (well, it was kind of over really,) and proceeded to decend into a nasty, misguided, ill-informed, thankfully inaccurate and definately FAQ busting attempt to "out" my real life identity here online.

My response was......

Still no sources?

What a surprise!





Nevertheless DUAF, before you go any further....this is getting very personal and nasty - and not from my end.

And as I've said, that's not what I want.

I was happy to debate the issues, but frankly, the idea that you would stoop so low as to go out of your way to try and find out my real identity and try and "out" me - no matter how misguided such attempts may be - speaks volumes.



Please drop it.

Don't do this DUAF, please. I have responsiblilities - many people depend upon me.



Do you know where I live and travel? What I do? What I stand for, DUAF? Or the fucking half of what I'm involved in?

No. You don't.

I don't want ANYONE here disclosing anything about me at any time.

And before you start twittering about this info being freely available.

Read the fucking FAQ!



So, now, I bow (wow) out of this debate.



Thanks for that DUAF.

Please drop it.


The best to you and yours DOUF.

Woof

Now.

Nice to see you DUAF.

Play fair OK.

We are far closer politically than you imagine.

And we both DESPERATELY want to see the demise of the monarchy's rule.

It's just that the Maoists are cunts and they should NOT get into power. That has been clearly proven to anyone reading this thread. This is where we disagree - I know you support these fuckwits (the leaders I mean). Fair enough.

The good news is that it looks to me like some kind of (no doubt corrupt, beaurocratic inefficient and inept, but at least) democracy will prevail within the next year or 18 months. Tops!

It won't be a solution to go back to this kind of "coalition of corruption" parliament again, but it'll slow the decline much more than with the current absolutists holding reign - and a will be a FUCK of a sight better than ANYTHING the Maoists have delivered or can deliver to the masses, the murderous cunts.

The even better news is that the Maoists have agreed to work with the major political parties if the King fucks off.

It's a far better prospect than the current scenario.

Fuck the monarchy!



Fuck the Maoists!



Power to the voice of the people!



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

I would urge anyone reading the end of this thread to read the whole thread and all the links provided.

I'd advise people to actually go a read some books by recognised, peer reviewed writers, scientists etc and not that dodgy load of old bollocks written by politically motivated neoliberal posh students.

 

[DrRingDing]

This argument has been done and dusted and DUAF and his supporters were soundly thrashed.

Gaffaw gaffaw!

You even sound like the King of Nepal now, claiming that the insurgency has been virtually beaten

 

[DrRingDing]

We are far closer politically than you imagine.

I'm a socialist you are a liberal fooled by bourgeois parlimentarianism.

Not close no matter what label you like to give yourself.

 

[DrRingDing]

And we both DESPERATELY want to see the demise of the monarchy's rule.

How desperatley do you really want to see the demise of the monarchy?

To fight a war over it?

Didn't think so.

 

[DrRingDing]

It's just that the Maoists are cunts

What every single person fighting for equality in under the banner of CPN (maoist) are all cunts.

Wow now there is a sweeping generalisation.

 

[DrRingDing]

I know you support these fuckwits (the leaders I mean).

Umm no I don't. I support the poor in their struggle for a better existence for themselves and their children.

 

[DrRingDing]

Nice to see you DUAF.

Nice to see you too JD .

 

[Streathamite]

JD, just one question; what possible solution do you see that ends the monarchy that DOESN'T mean a starring role for the maoists?
They are one of the few dynamic forces in the country, and I personally believe their ranks (note; NOT their leaders) are a genuine workers' force.

 

[Jessiedog]

JD, just one question; what possible solution do you see that ends the monarchy that DOESN'T mean a starring role for the maoists?
They are one of the few dynamic forces in the country, and I personally believe their ranks (note; NOT their leaders) are a genuine workers' force.

Yeah Jezz. Any solution, even a short-term, cobbled-together shaky one, will need to incorporate the Maoists as part of a coalition government.

The latest news I have is that the Maoists are saying they are willing to work with the parties and will not insist on having everything their own way, as long as any real power is removed from the monarchy. I understand that the Maoists are involved in all-party, or at least multi-party talks. This can only be a good thing.

The Maoists know they cannot win the war and that more and more ordinary peeps across the country are getting sick and fucking tired of the ongoing conflict and the abuse doled out them by both sides. I think they're getting closer to compromise.

Hopefully, with a united front including the Maoists, and international support, the royals could be at the very least sidelined for a while and held in check while a new constitution is being bartered (could be a while).

The important thing is for the fighting to stop ASAP and a strong union to develop that garners some trust among at least key neighbours and watchers around the globe.

I do know that most peeps just want the conflict to end.



Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

Nice to see you too JD .

Yeah. Take it easy.



I'm not gonna go through this whole thing again though, DU.

Unless you have any fresh, reputable evidence from reliable sources that refute or supercede those several studies linked to in earlier posts by macabre, et al, from strongly credible sources, then there's no point really.

Nice to see you all the same.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

The latest news I have is that the Maoists are saying they are willing to work with the parties and will not insist on having everything their own way, as long as any real power is removed from the monarchy.

Aargh!!!!!

This is what they have stated all along for last fucking 10 years!!!!

It's just that neoliberal propaganda avoids mentioning these very basic demands.

 

[Jessiedog]

Aargh!!!!!

This is what they have stated all along for last fucking 10 years!!!!

It's just that neoliberal propaganda avoids mentioning these very basic demands.

Still no sources to supercede or refute the earlier solid references, DUAF?

You liberals really take the biscuit.

Oh well.

Be cool man!



Woof

 

[Streathamite]

Yeah Jezz. Any solution, even a short-term, cobbled-together shaky one, will need to incorporate the Maoists as part of a coalition government.

The latest news I have is that the Maoists are saying they are willing to work with the parties and will not insist on having everything their own way, as long as any real power is removed from the monarchy. I understand that the Maoists are involved in all-party, or at least multi-party talks. This can only be a good thing.

The Maoists know they cannot win the war and that more and more ordinary peeps across the country are getting sick and fucking tired of the ongoing conflict and the abuse doled out them by both sides. I think they're getting closer to compromise.

Hopefully, with a united front including the Maoists, and international support, the royals could be at the very least sidelined for a while and held in check while a new constitution is being bartered (could be a while).

The important thing is for the fighting to stop ASAP and a strong union to develop that garners some trust among at least key neighbours and watchers around the globe.

I do know that most peeps just want the conflict to end.



Woof

this is vague, JD: all good aspirations, but no concrete practical outline of how the situation can be moved forward, other than 'let's all stop being nasty to each other'.
and I also thought the Maoists had always said they'd cut a deal with the other parties? or have I got that wrong?

 

[DrRingDing]

I also thought the Maoists had always said they'd cut a deal with the other parties? or have I got that wrong?

Not only that but they have always demanded a multi-party constituent assembly running the place.

 

[DrRingDing]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4707482.stm

Anyhoo the above is a transcript by the bbc of the Prachanda interview.

 

[DrRingDing]

Yeah Jezz. Any solution, even a short-term, cobbled-together shaky one, will need to incorporate the Maoists as part of a coalition government.

The latest news I have is that the Maoists are saying they are willing to work with the parties and will not insist on having everything their own way, as long as any real power is removed from the monarchy. I understand that the Maoists are involved in all-party, or at least multi-party talks. This can only be a good thing.

The Maoists know they cannot win the war and that more and more ordinary peeps across the country are getting sick and fucking tired of the ongoing conflict and the abuse doled out them by both sides. I think they're getting closer to compromise.

Hopefully, with a united front including the Maoists, and international support, the royals could be at the very least sidelined for a while and held in check while a new constitution is being bartered (could be a while).

The important thing is for the fighting to stop ASAP and a strong union to develop that garners some trust among at least key neighbours and watchers around the globe.

I do know that most peeps just want the conflict to end.



Woof

Now you declared a ceasefire for four months. If you were to repeat that but on a permanent basis, laying down your arms tomorrow, this war would stop. Why not do that?

We are fighting for the rights of Nepali people. As long as the royal army interferes with Nepali people's rights, as long as they keep killing Nepali people, I mean, the feudal privileged class, and that too an army loyal to a medieval royalty - are an obstacle to the Nepali people.

It is important that they be dismantled - not us. Nepali people are rebelling for their rights. In us saying that we are ready, we mean, the royal army, who have been oppressing Nepali people for 237 years, and are loyal to a small clique, who have no loyalty to respect for democratic ideology - that army has to be dismantled. Then only can the problem be solved. We are not the power that gave birth to this problem. It is the King, his clique and his royal army. For a peaceful solution of this problem, what we are saying is that both the armies should be monitored by the UN or a similar organization and go to the people; and that later they can be re-organized into a new Nepali army and that we are ready for. That is why we are not the problem.

We are not standing in the way of a peaceful solution. It is the King and his royal army. Even within the royal army, we do not believe that the lower cadres and officials of the army want the war to go on. It is a small clique of generals who belong to the feudalistic privileged class, the Rana and Shah clans of Nepal; they want this war to go on. If they want the war to go on, we do not want to surrender to them. If they say that we should surrender, if US imperialists say that we should surrender, we are not ready for it. We are ready to fight and die but we are not ready to surrender to this feudalistic clique. That is why we are clearing the path for peace.

Indeed.

 

[DrRingDing]

Anyhoo, concerning my feelings towards Prachanda?

I'd contentedly put a bullet in his head.

 

[DrRingDing]

http://cpnm.org/new/video/posters/POSTER10TH-EN.JPG

 

[Jessiedog]

this is vague, JD: all good aspirations, but no concrete practical outline of how the situation can be moved forward, other than 'let's all stop being nasty to each other'.

Well, quite Jezz.

That, in essence, is my argument. The ongoing conflict is subjecting the poorest of the citizenry to the most appalling conditions. Stopping the conflict would certainly ease things somewhat for most peeps. At least in the short term. This war is unwinnable and needs to stop.

and I also thought the Maoists had always said they'd cut a deal with the other parties? or have I got that wrong?

My understanding is that, over the years, the Maoists have adopted a range of various different and occasionally conflicting positions, depending on the circumstances.



DUAF,

Grow up.



Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

Seems to me Jezz that the only alternative to a cease in hostilities (a real one and a looooooong one, hopefully,) is a continuation.

That means a continuation of the carnage and suffering being imposed on the Nepali people by the Royalists and the Maoists alike. An ongoing slide into chaos for a coutry embroiled in a violent struggle in which neither side have a cat-in-hells-chance of winning.

Ongoing violence that the people of Nepal want to see stopped. Now!

That's the real voice of the people, IMO.



Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

My understanding is that, over the years, the Maoists have adopted a range of various different and occasionally conflicting positions, depending on the circumstances.

Concerning people's democracy

A new constitution should be drafted by representatives elected for the establishment of a people's democratic system.

Come on get with it JD.

 

[Jessiedog]

Delete the fuck-off big image DUAF.

Some peeps have dial up.



Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

Oh.

And if your idea of......

.....sources to supercede or refute the earlier solid references, DUAF?

......is some vague reference to "democracy" in a decade-old document written by leaders of the "Maoists", then........

Meh!




(Did you know, BTW, that "Nu-Labour" were first elected in 1997 on a manifesto that included an "ethical foreign policy".)



You won't goad me into engaging with you DUAF. This debate is done until you have anything new to contribute.

And until then, peeps can read the thread and make up their own minds.

Probably ready for archiving really.


(Edit: Oh! And delete that massive fucking image! M'kay? )




Woof

 

[DrRingDing]

Delete the fuck-off big image DUAF.

Some peeps have dial up.



Woof

You truely are a man of the people JD

 

[sanjeev]

oh. mind if i drop a line? i am from Nepal. i dont have time right now. I will give you guys an insight of what do i think of the situtation in my country later. for now, i just want to say,

Maoists in Nepal are Terrorists. Their presence in Nepalese political scenario is not good. And the leaders deserve a fucking smack so hard they will regret the day their mothers openend up their thighs to their father. No offence to their fathers and mothers.