fishfingerer said:
What do you mean by saying "I would like to see them [maoists] get shat on by the Indian army." Describe how the Indian army would shit on the maoists or anyone else violently opposed to the caste system. What tactics would they use that haven't already been employed by the Nepalese army.
Where did I say that I would like to see the indian army shit on the Maoists, I believe I said they would if India got involved because of the sheer size of thier army and an unwillingness to have rebels on a chinese boarder.
fishfingerer said:
Yes, have you? Because one of the first lines in one of them says "Maoist campaigns also include public humiliation and punishment schemes against those who practice caste and gender discrimination". This contradicts your claim that the maoists are perpuating the caste system.
So you read the first few pages then stopped, did you go on to read pages 37-42?
"Although the Maoists claim political empowerment of Dalits and women as a central tenet of their agenda, within the Maoist leadership, all three principals are men and none are Dalit. In fact, the chief architects of the movement, Baburam Bhattarai and Pushpa Kamal Dahal (alias “Prachanda”), are both “upper-caste” Brahmin men, while the leader of the
military wing, Ram Bahadur Thapa (alias “Badal”), is of Magar origin."
"When juxtaposed against the Maoists’ expressed political rhetoric of Dalit empowerment, the lack of real Dalit representation in the movement is striking. In effect, Dalits are serving as dispensable persons who can literally take the bullets for the Maoist insurgency. Nowhere is this imbalance more starkly reflected than in Dalit women’s participation in the movement. The 2003 National Women’s Commission’s report indicates that women account for 33 to 50 percent of the Maoist militia in various districts and constitute 50 percent of the cadres at the lower level."
"The Maoist insurgency has crippled Dalit communities into a state of constant fear and economic deterioration. Already living on the brink of starvation and destitution, Dalit community members have been further pushed into grinding poverty."
Qoute from a 19y/o mepali girl "Not only high-ranking leaders or activists, but sometime we have to fulfill the sexual desire of our own level’s activists and the militia. This is against the party rule and moral duty, but this is the fact of many women like me in this party. Sometimes this happens by chance…but, sometimes the party policy forces us. Most of the women like us are the temporary wives of male militia. Sometimes…the militia forces us to have sex with them. Sometimes we are forced to satisfy about a dozen per night. When I had gone to another region for party work, I had to have sex with seven militia [men] and this was the worst day of my life."
It goes on or you could just continue cherry picking quotes and half reading things. But hey, as long as you argee with the politics of a group it doesnt matter how they behave.
fishfingerer said:
How altruistic of you. Nothing like throwing a few shekels about to assuage one's useless liberal guilt.
Yes, Im so guilt ridden and having caused so much pain and poverty in an already troubled country. Oh wait, that was the Maoists. I also cry with guilt at night thinking about how greatful the nepalis where that people will risk coming there so that they can earn a living instead of not going and passing judgment on the country from halfway around the world saying the're getting fucked for their own good.
fishfingerer said:
This may come as something of a shock to you but....bad things happen in wars.
And sometimes they're done by the side you'd like to see win or at least force some concessions and compromise. If you got your wish and the Indian army went into Nepal to shit on the maoists, do you really think there wouldn't be a telephone directory sized AI file after a month or two? That the root causes of the war would just vanish if enough suspected malcontents are killed or locked up? And will your kind ever understand that support for a cause is rarely, if ever, unconditional?
No shit bad things happen, but in this case many of the bad things are avoidable and the Maoists behaviour gives absolutely no indication that they will do much different from the king. This war is about power not class.
I never said India going in wouldnt present probelms, not that it would go in which you would know if you bothered to read my sources, but that many nepalis think it would be better than what they have now. Whats the shit about
my kind what exactly is my kind, you're just a judgmental twat "go stack shelves, its all you good for". You know nothing about me but are quite happy to make shit up about me in a cowardly attempt to dismiss my opinion because its different from yours. The fact you have to demonise me rather than debate my points just shows your lack of understanding of the situation. And you and DUAF are the ones who are giving unconditional support to the Maoists based on the ideology of the Maoists rather than their behaviour, at no point has anyone here said a revolution wasnt needed but that they are turning out to be as bad as the current system.
) to the ecstatic cheering of hundreds of poverty stricken peasants. Bizzare!!
