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sanjeev said:
oh. mind if i drop a line? i am from Nepal. i dont have time right now. I will give you guys an insight of what do i think of the situtation in my country later. for now, i just want to say,

Maoists in Nepal are Terrorists. Their presence in Nepalese political scenario is not good. And the leaders deserve a fucking smack so hard they will regret the day their mothers openend up their thighs to their father. No offence to their fathers and mothers.
Hi sanjeev!

Welcome to the game.

:)

You may also wish to spend an hour or two reading this thread (and maybe some of the links,) in order to bring yourself up to speed on the debate so far - it's pretty comprehensive.

Either way tho', stick your oar in and fire away.

:)

Woof
 
Jessiedog said:
Hi sanjeev!

Welcome to the game.

:)

You may also wish to spend an hour or two reading this thread (and maybe some of the links,) in order to bring yourself up to speed on the debate so far - it's pretty comprehensive.

Either way tho', stick your oar in and fire away.

:)

Woof

I would like to add further, that Sanjeev is not just new to urban, but is also one more urbanite in China. We number - I'm not sure now - 5?

I think it is important to listen to people with a little more first-hand experience with the problem.

I think a comparison between the Maoists and Hamas must be made. One "terrorist" organisation actually really did help the poor, another probably does more harm than good. However, I will leave this discussion to those who are better informed.
 
Thanks rock bottom for the number.

Anyways, talking of the situation in Nepal. i was raised in Kathmandu one of the most developed cities in Nepal. I was educated in one of the best schools in Nepal. But still when i visited my grandma I had to go to a place where i had to walk for half an hour, where forget about TV, even a single telephone line in the whole village was a dream. And that village was established by my Greatgrand Pa who went to the Palace as a PT instructor and got the land, hills and the forest as a bonus from the King. I am telling you this to give you an idea of who i am coz what i would type in this forum would definately be reflected upon my own experience.

See this is Nepal.

My toys were playstation. My uncle would bring in clothes for me from UK, USA. I would wear airwalk, adidas( not the fake ones). But few of my cousins(in the village) didn't have a fucking schoolbag to take to the school. They didn't know how is it like wearing a shoe when they hiked to the forest for more than fortyfive minutes to fetch the wood so that their mom could cook that night. It was fun for me, going to all these places. But for them it was a daily mundane chore.

Now, imagine my cousin, if somebody came to him handed him a gun and told him, you also deserve something. Would he not take the gun and point it to any of the guys living in the city. Of course he would. Thats the basic human nature: to retaliate. Nobody wants to be supressed, either economically, socially or any other possible ways.

And for the fact that the knowledge they possess without proper schooling. forget about colleges. Do you think he has the conscience of rationalizing or thinking is it correct or incorrect? So the people like my cousins are the "Militia" of Maoists, who could be lured and mislead easily. And the people who lead the maoists are the ones hungry for power, exploiting my million cousins jsut for the sake of power.

fuck equality, fuck development, do you think these maoists are there for development or equality if so then, why couldn't they fucking impress me. If they were only for development, equality why the fuck wouldn't i abck them up. surely i would. I would want my cousins to have better life. I would want my cousins to read "the brief History of time" or listen to Iron Maiden or play "Football" with the football boots on.

i had always been telling my mom everybody is equal. I had always been against caste system. But these are those aspects of the society which can't be changed overnight. They are changing slowly when people get educated more. When my friends and i grow upto become adults we will not teach our kid discrimination. It needs time, a fucking gun cant chage that. Build more schools. Stop fucking preaching. Act. And those fucking so called democratic parties ( Mind you guys, i have never voted. I am not politically inclined to any side), what did they do. One of my uncles was in the streets during the revolution. The humble king gave democracy to the people. What happened?? Those fucking leaders turned out to be corrupt. They started fucking building petrol pumps, open accounts in Swiss Bank. I condemn them. Thats why i dont vote. And i dont want to. They all are same. The fucking corrupt bastards.
 
sanjeev,

As you will recognise from the thread, (unlike DUAF) I am no apologist for the Maoists.

That said, I also believe that the monarchy needs to be totally excluded from any political power. I think that the King is a murderer and would be happy to see him imprisoned for life. I'd be more than happy to see the whole of the monarchy sent into exile somewhere. Ultimately, it is the rule of the Nepalese monarchy that engendered the conditions that allowed the rise of the Maoists. For generations, they have done little or nothing for the people of the country and are to be utterly condemned.


What say you of the monarchy?


*wonders what may wriggle if the top comes off this little tin*

:)

Woof
 
Oh.

And a double welcome as a Chinese resident sanjeev. Are you a Zhuhainian like RB (*waves at RB*), or in some other part of this vast land?


(BTW RB, I think we are now six "permanent" residents, plus a few "floaters" - Isambard should be passing thru' HK this weekend.)

Big up the Urban China Contingent!

:cool:

Woof
 
Monarchy!!!

as far as monarchy is concerned in Nepal, let me take you all the way back to those days when there was Rana Regime in Nepal. During that period, the people and the king were supressed by the Prime Ministers who exercised "POWER" all by themselves. They had close ties with the British as well from the time when the East India Company( Britain in India) ruled India. They couldn't take the whole country but they definately took lots of the "Cream" places. Like Darjeeling, Achaam and so many places that now are in India. Before that time, Nepal was a lot bigger. Nepal had to sign treaty with them becasue we couldn't fight anymore and they couldn't win. So Nepal lost these places.

the Rana supressed the pople. The people couldn't go to schools, the King was a mere showroom piece. And eventually, People and The King together fought back. And the King was back in the power.

When i was in first grade we had to sing this song (of course it was in Nepalese, i will try to give you the best possible translation here)

"My hands are small,
my legs are small,
my heart is small,
but in this small heart lies a big country,
There remain the King and Queen"

even as a Kid i liked this song. So you can say i am a guy with nationalistic views. I love my country. And the King is a symbol of unity. The forefathers of the present king unified the greater Nepal. Nepal's grown smaller but still the Kings always been a God for Hindus and a symbol of Nepal.


See always king is not bad. I am not speaking for King having absolute rule but what do i believe is, at least in those situations where the country is directionless we need leaders, and king is one of those few people inside the country who think of the country and make some differences. ( of course having power is must because i care for my country but i can do nothing except type in the forums like this).

The past King Birendra was the one to propose the idea of SAARC in that region. He let people have democracy because that was the need of the people. So we loved him very much. The whole nation reverred him. The whole nation was like so dismantled when he died. People didn't know what to do or what will happen. Then i was among those people who welcomed the present King taking power back. Becasue i thought, finally, the politicians will end up in prison. there will be a leader who will do something good eventually.

But the dream still remains a dream.......
 
Jessiedog said:
My understanding is that, over the years, the Maoists have adopted a range of various different and occasionally conflicting positions, depending on the circumstances.
err...like ANY guerrilla army would, in a country as volatile as Nepal, and with a society/polity as harsh as that? or am I missing something? :confused:
 
Red Jezza said:
err...like ANY guerrilla army would, in a country as volatile as Nepal, and with a society/polity as harsh as that? or am I missing something? :confused:
Missing nothing Jezz.

I was merely pointing out that the Maoists have never held steadfast to anything in particular. They have, like any rotten-to-the-core group, chopped and changed and blown in the wind to suit themselves as expediency dictates.



I also thought the Maoists had always said they'd cut a deal with the other parties?
And that the concept of "cutting deals" has waxed and waned along the way, just like evrything else they proclaim.

I trust these people no more than the monarchy. They are utterly ruthless, care not a fig for those they purport to represent, merely use the poor as cannon-fodder in their blind quest for power and are equally to blame for the current state of the country as anyone is.

And it's getting worse!

The conflict must end before any progress can be made.

Woof
 
sanjeev said:
king is one of those few people inside the country who think of the country and make some differences.
This is where we disagree sanjeev.

As I mentioned above........

Jessiedog said:
Ultimately, it is the rule of the Nepalese monarchy that engendered the conditions that allowed the rise of the Maoists. For generations, they have done little or nothing for the people of the country
I do not believe that the monarchy has done anything of note for the people of Nepal. Had they done so, then your cousins would not have lived in the deprivation they did as youths.

And today? The country is even poorer than it was. Many, many poor children still suffer abject poverty, degradation, discrimination and NOW, of course, a fuckin' war on top of it all.

The current King, likewise, is doing absolutely nothing for the people of Nepal. He is a part of the problem - not the solution - and, in my opinion, by any measure, should be behind bars for the rest of his life. Starting now!

He is a prime example of a rich, out of touch, corrrupt, selfish, greedy cunt.

But the dream still remains a dream.......
And so it will until the Maoists down arms and the monarchy fuck right off.

:(

Woof
 
Jessiedog said:
And today? The country is even poorer than it was. Many, many poor children still suffer abject poverty, degradation, discrimination and NOW, of course, a fuckin' war on top of it all.

Yes exactly when a country is poor, unstable; the primary concern should be towards stabilising it. Let us look at the time before the maoists. There had been few cases even during the rule of former king that some leaders started some fundamentalism but couldn't succeed, partly because they couldn't address the general interest of the people.

In a country like Nepal, where there is poverty, illiteracy and discrimination giving power to People usually doesn't work. Just imagine letting the hungry lions loose in the city. Power is only good when people know what to do with it. Otherwise it will be just like what happened in Nepal in the past. Few people will keep it to themselves and others will follow them, because they dont know. They dont have any knowledge. They will merely be puppets as we were. The richer with power will act for them, the poorer will be supressed more and become poorer even.

So we need stability, may be more equal distribution of "everything" then people can enjoy democracy, freedom. Thats what exactly Nepal lacked. During the Rana regime, public couldn't go to school. The whole 100 years of regime that didn;t let people and eventually Nepal develop. We need to fill that gap dude before talking of anything else. We have to be practical. Lets not argue only in terms of Theory.

Nepal is 100 years back. How do you fill that gap???? I hope i dont have to tell you what the prime ministers and ministers were like. So much of corruption and so much of filth going around. People who could read newspapers were aware. We were aware. We didn't want them in the parliament. But they would get elected from such laid back places where people couldn't write their own name. Its very easy to manipulate such people and exploit them as well. They are purely innocent its not their fault that they elected such bastards. But at the same time what could the educated people do? Helpless, becasue the people in the power wanted these poor people to remain poor because they would elect them next time as well.

Do you thing any sensible guy would support these bastards leaders. Sicne most of the time it was congress in the parliament and people were fed up with them. The urban people started electing communists because they wanted something different. It doesn't necessarily reflect the inclination of public towards fundamental theory of either party but something different that will do something good to the country. I dont think Nepalese people really care about the theory behind these different parties now. They want something different, something good.

I am not saying the present king is right. He is good. No, i dont have any biasness towards anybody but please for God sake's we need a leader, not corrupt mother fucking bastards to be there. We want a leader, a leader who has love and true feelings for the country. Anybody, a communist, a congress, green party, red party, yellow party, king, people... but only requirement is have National interest and please no Guns. We want the Nepal back where we were born. "The only declared Peaceful State in the WORLD." (More than 170 countries in the UN signed this declaration. )
 
sanjeev said:
as far as monarchy is concerned in Nepal, let me take you all the way back to those days when there was Rana Regime in Nepal. During that period, the people and the king were supressed by the Prime Ministers who exercised "POWER" all by themselves. They had close ties with the British as well from the time when the East India Company( Britain in India) ruled India. They couldn't take the whole country but they definately took lots of the "Cream" places. Like Darjeeling, Achaam and so many places that now are in India. Before that time, Nepal was a lot bigger. Nepal had to sign treaty with them becasue we couldn't fight anymore and they couldn't win. So Nepal lost these places.

the Rana supressed the pople. The people couldn't go to schools, the King was a mere showroom piece. And eventually, People and The King together fought back. And the King was back in the power.

When i was in first grade we had to sing this song (of course it was in Nepalese, i will try to give you the best possible translation here)

"My hands are small,
my legs are small,
my heart is small,
but in this small heart lies a big country,
There remain the King and Queen"

even as a Kid i liked this song. So you can say i am a guy with nationalistic views. I love my country. And the King is a symbol of unity. The forefathers of the present king unified the greater Nepal. Nepal's grown smaller but still the Kings always been a God for Hindus and a symbol of Nepal.


See always king is not bad. I am not speaking for King having absolute rule but what do i believe is, at least in those situations where the country is directionless we need leaders, and king is one of those few people inside the country who think of the country and make some differences. ( of course having power is must because i care for my country but i can do nothing except type in the forums like this).

The past King Birendra was the one to propose the idea of SAARC in that region. He let people have democracy because that was the need of the people. So we loved him very much. The whole nation reverred him. The whole nation was like so dismantled when he died. People didn't know what to do or what will happen. Then i was among those people who welcomed the present King taking power back. Becasue i thought, finally, the politicians will end up in prison. there will be a leader who will do something good eventually.

But the dream still remains a dream.......

So you believe in a Absolutist Monarchy?

You beleive in totalitarian, top-down leadership?
 
sanjeev said:
In a country like Nepal, where there is poverty, illiteracy and discrimination giving power to People usually doesn't work. Just imagine letting the hungry lions loose in the city.

Just imagine, the horror!


;)
 
sanjeev said:
[So we need stability, may be more equal distribution of "everything" then people can enjoy democracy, freedom. We need to fill that gap dude before talking of anything else. We have to be practical. Lets not argue only in terms of Theory.

But would you not agree that something has to change radically now?

I believe, and history backs this up, the only way for this redistribution of resources among the people can only be acheived through armed struggle as the wealthy will not give this up without bloodshed.
 
DoUsAFavour said:
I've provided you with ample sources which you have not bothered to read.

You just prefer to read the crap that suits your biases and nothing more.
That's just being disingenuous DUAF.

Anyone who has read this thread can see that the links provided by Macabre and others are reliable, well researched, balanced and from creidible sources. Nothing you have posted since has come anywhere close to refuting these sources.

In fact, all you have done since is either abuse peeps in a childish fashion, or continue to post up your "Rah! ah! Rah! Up the Maoists!" Nonsense.

You have provided NOTHING to rebut any of the numerous and solid references already given.

We all know you love the marauding Maoist murderers, so "Rah! Rah! Rah!" away to yourself as much as you wish. Just don't kid yourself that you are doing anything more significant than this. You're not! And you're not kidding anyone else either.

As I've mentioned, until you come up with something a little more solid than "Rah! Rah! Rah!", then........

Well........


"Rah! Rah! Rah!", I guess.

:)

WOof
 
Rather than just arguing who should be in the power, may be we should focus more on what needs to be done. We are just acting in the same fashion as those bastards in Nepal did. And we all know where they ended up. We are following the same league. But the need of the time is to come up with solution rather than fighting over the problem. Solving it with common sense rather than following our beliefs or rudimentaries or interests or being biassed.

The history has witnessed. We know it for sure. How wrong people can be at times. The problem is we dont know how wrong we were until we see the future. unfortunately, our mind is infallible. So sensible people are those who correct mistakes. You just cant escape making mistakes. its human.

My point, what do you think should be done?? Dont just tell me the maoists are bastards, the democracy is good. Or the other way round.

I think in Nepal what needs to be done is, first, stop the violence. Then only after that you can think of things further.
 
DoUsAFavour said:
Just imagine, the horror!


;)

my point is: the powerful people will exploit these poor. What do you think the maoists are doing.

And i have already made clear i am not for King having absolute monarchy,but we need stability, equal distribution. corrupt political leaders are not the solution. Do you think asking people to elect somebody's gonna be a solution. No its just another oppurtunity for those corrupt bastards to rise again.
 
Schools!!! For fuck sakes. And you think they are for Good. Piss off!!!

School children join agitation
School authorities complain of threats


Post Report

KATHMANDU, May 20 : Seven student organisations today mobilised thousands of schoolchildren to participate in a rally supporting the political parties’ movement to restore democracy. The huge rally also raised educational issues, demanding free education in government-run schools and an end to excessive fee structure in the private and boarding schools.

Emanating from the Open Air Theatre, the mass of school children went around town chanting slogans and waving placards before converging in a mass rally at Tundikhel.

Leaders of all the student organisations were present at the rally and promised to take the fight to the finish "with the spontaneous co-operation coming from all the school students." Speaking briefly on the occasion ANNFSU General Secretary Khim Lal Bhattarai said, "We have organised this rally in defence of democracy. We students want democracy."

The rally was organised by seven student organisations including Nepal Students Union (NSU), All Nepal National Free Students’ Union (ANNFSU), ANNFSU (United), Nepal Revolutionary Students’ Union (NRSU), ANNFSU (ML backed), Nepal Democratic Students’ Union (NDSU) and Nepal Students Forum (NSF). ANNISU-Revolutionary, the student wing of the Maoist outfit, did not take part in the rally.

While organisers of the rally were ecstatic by the huge turnout of school-going children, some school authorities blasted the organisers for forcibly bussing the children to the rally. There are also complaints that some of the organisers threatened unwilling school authorities to allow their students to bunk off class and participate in the rally. Organisers, however, denied the charges and said that the children had participated freely.

Apart from demanding an end to excessive fee structure and pressing free education in government-run schools, the students rally demanded 50 percent concession for students while travelling


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‘Missionary schools may be compelled to shut down’

Post Report

KATHMANDU, May 20 : The Christian missionary, currently running 19 schools, including the capital’s St. Xavier’s and St. Mary’s, has said that it would be compelled to shut down the missionary schools and leave the country if the Maoist-affiliated students continue to pressure them.

Talking to The Kathmandu Post Tuesday, Fr. Lawrence Maniyar, S.J., principal of St. Xavier’s High School said, "If the people of Nepal do not want us, we are even ready to leave Nepal."

The missionary’s response comes quickly after the Maoist-aligned All Nepal National Independent Students’ Union (Revolutionary), ANNISU-R simultaneously locked up the account section and the principal’s office alleging that the missionary was turning a blind eye to their demands.

Fr. Maniyar is considering closing down the capital’s 52-year-old school from Friday but said he would wait for the response of the government and the Maoists until Thursday.

"Until you fulfill our demands, we will continue to lock up your office," reads the paper pasted by the ANNISU-R on the principal’s door. The ANNISU-R has also locked up principals’ offices in about 40 other private and boarding schools by today.

"We have completed 52 years of our service in Nepal providing education to about 50,000 children but we continue to be blamed even by the government officials of converting Nepalis into Christianity," said Fr. Maniyar.

St. Xaviers’ Schools and St. Mary’s School, which claimed to have made giant strides in providing education to the Nepalis in the last 50 years, want to abstinence from politics as a Christian duty and urged the Maoists students to observe peace in schools.

Meanwhile, a coalition of seven students’ union today locked up the office of the campus chief of Ratna Rajya Campus protesting the arrest of Nawaraj Poudel, campus unit chief of the All Nepal National Free Students’ Union (ANNFSU).

"We have not received Poudel’s whereabouts since his arrest yesterday night," said ANNFSU source. "We have been hearing rumours that he was arrested for shouting slogans against the king," it said.

Nepal Students’ Union (NSU) and the ANNFSU also burnt the effigy of Suryanath Upadhyaya, CIAA’s chief in front of the Trichandra College this afternoon, in protest against the latter’s decision to arrest the top party leaders on charges of corruption.
 
DoUsAFavour said:
But would you not agree that something has to change radically now?

I believe, and history backs this up, the only way for this redistribution of resources among the people can only be acheived through armed struggle as the wealthy will not give this up without bloodshed.


Change by the means of "guns". You like Bush, don't you? He is changing the world. emphasing on equal distribution of oil, oops sorry "Resources".
 
sanjeev said:
I think in Nepal what needs to be done is, first, stop the violence. Then only after that you can think of things further.
I've made it clear on this thread that, to my mind, until the violence stops, nothing can happen.

:)

Woof
 
jessiedog, it seems to me that the current king is so stubborn and anti-democratic that the ONLY way his grip on power will be released is by force. Asking him very, very nicely doesn't seem to have done the trick.
 
sanjeev said:
Rather than just arguing who should be in the power, may be we should focus more on what needs to be done. .
ummm...unless you decide who is in power, and what they do with it, how can you ever influence what is done with that power?
 
Red Jezza said:
jessiedog, it seems to me that the current king is so stubborn and anti-democratic that the ONLY way his grip on power will be released is by force. Asking him very, very nicely doesn't seem to have done the trick.
But everyone pretty much agrees that this war is unwinnable - the Maoists will never overthrow the monarchy - and in the meantime the peeps are getting badly fucked by both sides.

The violence serves no purpose and is fucking over the poor.

I also note from one of the links above that the children of the Maoist leaders are nowhere near the frontlines. Funny that.

The Maoists are losing the support of the people.

The violence must stop. That is what the people want.

Woof
 
Red Jezza said:
ummm...unless you decide who is in power, and what they do with it, how can you ever influence what is done with that power?

Now this is why i had been saying we need a leader. A leader, may be like Gandhi( in india), who knows what he is doing. Unless people realize they not gonna come front. And by saying people, i mean those people who can really bring about changes. not the ones who know nothing except throw stones on the road, who are fed by those leaders. Thats the problem right now. The people you see demonstrating on the road are not the real people. They are merely a bunch of hooligans controlled by those politicians. We need real people. Just like during the 1990 revolution.

Or, ironically, some catastrophe, a famine disaster, then people will realize we need to think of our country and start acting towards. not jsut stay inside the comfort of their home and argue with their brothers or wives.

Are you understanding what i mean. The people need to act and for the action to be systematic, we need a good leader. This is not totally impossible. If you look at the history of Nepal, there had been so many cases where people gave their life stadning against the government then. We observe, martyrs days. We need those kind of people. But now what might be stopping people like those coming to the street is the frustration. They brought abut changes in the apst so many times but what happenned. Nothing good. So people are fed up. Now they need to be awaked again. Thats the main problem .Now how to make that happen. I have no idea. becasue young people like us are aboard. The rich business man they dont give a damn becasue if anything serious happens, they are ready to escape.

i dont know. Thats where the seeking of the solution halts. The key lies to sensible people. But where are they in Nepal? Nowhere.
 
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