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Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Unruly neighbours, as Farage might say?
Christian group wants 'evil' Welsh flag changed
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goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
He said Gogs, not
bubblesmcgrath
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
that actually made me laugh well done!
if you won't tell me what punktuation i got rong then howz can i lern?
bubblesmcgrath
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I don't get it myself, but there's no fiercer rivalry than Cardiff V. Swansea. This is a good read for anyone interested in internal Welsh footie rivalries and the long-traditional Welsh love of aggro:
"A lot of people hate the Welsh, mainly because they don’t understand us, and a lot of hooligan firms have had the shock of their lives after traveling here, as they have this vision of it being a few scruffy farmhouses on a hillside and a few sheep farmers to beat up. On arrival they find massive mobs waiting for them, as hooligans have traveled from far and wide in the hopes of a scrap."
http://charliestoney.wordpress.com/...n-by-jeff-joe-cardiff-marsh-without-pictures/
No prizes for guessing where the author grew up:
"I was born on Barry Island, a large town ten miles outside of Cardiff, which once was home to the Butlins Holiday Camp, famous fairground and the busy Docks. Barry is a town with a history of violence, and growing up all my role models were thugs. The Island was famous for attracting gangs from all over the place, including the Hells Angel gang who, after a serious hiding from the locals had petrol bombed the Pelican Club, making national headlines. As a kid I used to witness mass brawls as I was walking my dog, or sitting on the pub steps with my bottle of coke and bag of crisps and really wanted to be a part of it."
Don't ever change Ddraig.
To which the obvious come back is "Hanging, pointing downwards, same difference." .
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
If it s true, Devil worship clearly brings even fewer material rewards than God-bothering. Which is not the way that Satan tries to sell it.
ska invita
back on the other side
Christians have been trying to stamp out any signs of paganism for centuries...in the US theres a serious move by them against stuff like Harry Potter as they see it as a doorway to the occult
By definition, only Christians can be devil worshippers, since yer average Pagan simply doesn't include a devil of any kind in their metaphysical view of the world. Yes, there are darker aspects of various deities, there may even be completely dark deities, but they aren't to be confused with the Christian concept(s) of the devil. A destroyer deity doesn't do so because He/She is the embodiment of everything bad, He/She is that way as a necessary balance to a creative deity (consider the dung beetle). Nor are demons to be conflated with the devil; they're more like minor gods, who have fallen into obscurity.
It's late, my head's got far too many carcrash consonants sloshing around, and I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. AFAIK even the Jewish concept of Satan isn't quite the same as what Christians label as the Devil. AFAIK Satan is more of an adversary to the big guy upstairs than an embodiment of everything which is wrong in the world.
You have so asked the wrong question, I'm not sure what the right one would be. IMHO deities (or whatever carries that label until a better one is found) exist whether people choose to acknowledge their presence (and believe in them) or not. Voltaire's comment that "if God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him" is partly right, since (as far as I understand it) He/She/It/They is/are as much shaped by us as we are by Him/Her/It/Them, further complicated by very different lifespans, abilities etc.
The relationship is extremely difficult for me to define - it's less master and servant (or parent and child) than repeatedly negotiating a favour for a favour with somebody who is more or less an equal, but with different abilities and priorities.
Now hang on just a second.
I think you mean that only those who believe in the monotheistic God can be devil-worshippers. Which is of course true. But followers of Yeshua-ben-Yusuf? Hardly.
No.
The word "Satan" does indeed mean "adversary," but he is the adversary of man, not God. Obviously an omnipotent God controls Satan, as well as everything else. In fact this is one of the hardest facts for a monotheist to deal with--Satan works for God, not against Him.
That's what it's like for Satanists, if you don't mind my saying so. That's not what it's like for Christians.
Pretty much. An omnipotent God is logically responsible for the Holocaust, for the murder of children etc. That's why monotheism is such a demanding belief system.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
And that's before we get started on the real cognitive dissonance.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I'm not sure that most monotheists think through the consequences of their belief to such a degree. I think the cognitive dissonance prevents them from doing so.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
"The Merthyr Tydfilians they say,
Are all worthy townsfolk by day.
But they're not what they seem,
By the moon's mystic beam,
They mount broomsticks and all fly away."
(Dylan Thomas)
bubblesmcgrath
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Not exactly true that...
Free will has a huge part to play in goodness and evildoing.
If you are a Christian you accept the belief that everyone has free will.....even to "sin".
The caviat is to repent wholeheartedly and "mend your ways"
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Problem being that free will and omniscience are logically incompatible - if God knows whether a particular human will sin at a certain time, then how is that sin a choice rather than something pre-ordained?
Exactly, you beat me to it. Free will and an omnipotent God are clearly incompatible, as the most astute theologians have always realized:
bubblesmcgrath
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Because the PERSON chooses......
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Leaving omniscience aside for now, choice is constrained by circumstance. I might "choose" to fly out of the window and migrate to warmer climes like a bird, but obligations here at home (as well the merely technical inability to fly without technological asisstance) compel me to stay where I am.
Coming back to omniscience, God knows the choices I will make. Did you ever think to wonder why? If my will is genuinely "free", then it can't be delimited by mere prediction, even from God. But if God can correctly and consistently predict my actions, that suggests there is some kind of framework within which he can make such forecasts. Such a framework would be contrary to notion of free will.
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