Christian group wants 'evil' Welsh flag changed

[bubblesmcgrath]

I know the sun is in the sky.
I know it'll be there tomorrow even if I cant see it because it's cloudy and miserable....
This doesn't mean that I have any control or influence over it...does it?
The way I see it...An omniscient God knows all but people are left to decide and choose. Even if God knows the choice in advance it doesn't make the act of human choice any different for the individual person. They still have to arrive at decisions and make choices. They dont have any insider knowledge of the long term effects of some of their choices.
Does it matter that an omniscient God knows what choices I make?
It doesn't effect me in my decision making in the here and now and as I've no knowledge of the future then realistically I've no idea what future choices will be.

 

[Batboy]

Fabulously hatstand stuff!

It's not run by a guy called Tan is it?

 

[Batboy]

It is a fucking great flag, mind.

Yeah it is, I'm quite jealous it makes almost every other flag look boring, fuck me the English flag, white with two red bits on it. And the Scottish one that's shit too. I suppose at least the Irish Flag has three colours. Most flags do need changing, apart from the Welsh one. Can we have a competition to change English, Scottish and Irish Flags? They really do need updating.

 

[NoXion]

I know the sun is in the sky.
I know it'll be there tomorrow even if I cant see it because it's cloudy and miserable....
This doesn't mean that I have any control or influence over it...does it?

That's a really bad example. I was talking about predictability rather than control, and the sun's rising and setting is one of the most predictable things in the universe, very much unlike supposed "free will", which shouldn't be predictable at all.

The way I see it...An omniscient God knows all but people are left to decide and choose. Even if God knows the choice in advance it doesn't make the act of human choice any different for the individual person. They still have to arrive at decisions and make choices. They dont have any insider knowledge of the long term effects of some of their choices.
Does it matter that an omniscient God knows what choices I make?
It doesn't effect me in my decision making in the here and now and as I've no knowledge of the future then realistically I've no idea what future choices will be.

It does matter, because if God knows what decisions you'll make in advance, that's not a choice freely made, but the foreknowledge of things to come, a knowing of the paths of destiny. If the only reason you think you have a free will is because you don't know what decisions you will make ahead of time, then free will is an illusion (which I personally believe it is, although for different reasons).

 

[SpookyFrank]

Yeah it is, I'm quite jealous it makes almost every other flag look boring, fuck me the English flag, white with two red bits on it. And the Scottish one that's shit too. I suppose at least the Irish Flag has three colours. Most flags do need changing, apart from the Welsh one. Can we have a competition to change English, Scottish and Irish Flags? They really do need updating.

We need to get rid of the three lions as well. There are no lions in this country. We should have three of our most noble and fearsome native critter, the badger

I mean really, lions. We might as well have penguins as a national emblem, or ewoks.

 

[brogdale]

We need to get rid of the three lions as well. There are no lions in this country. We should have three of our most noble and fearsome native critter, the badger

I mean really, lions. We might as well have penguins as a national emblem, or ewoks.

As a loyal supporter of a football team that wear the three lions on their chest I'd have a problem with this....

Spoiler: three lions on their chest

 

[SpookyFrank]

As a loyal supporter of a football team that wear the three lions on their chest I'd have a problem with this....

Spoiler: three lions on their chest

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Chelsea also have a lion so I hereby decree that football clubs get to keep their animal-based emblems. Except of course Cardiff, who have already had theirs replaced.

 

[brogdale]

Chelsea also have a lion so I hereby decree that football clubs get to keep their animal-based emblems. Except of course Cardiff, who have already had theirs replaced.

Just the one, eh? There's only two teams in the land that play with 3 on their chest, and my old Dad played for one of them.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That reminds me, is there a historical reason why the Dutch flag is just the French flag but sideways, while the Belgian flag is just the German flag but sideways?

And has this caused any hilarious friendly fire-type fuck ups between those countries in times of war?

 

[brogdale]

That reminds me, is there a historical reason why the Dutch flag is just the French flag but sideways, while the Belgian flag is just the German flag but sideways?

And has this caused any hilarious friendly fire-type fuck ups between those countries in times of war?

Dunno, but it's a bit of pub quiz fav...the old 'how many of the 6 founding members of the EEC had tricolour flags?' question.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Dunno, but it's a bit of pub quiz fav...the old 'how many of the 6 founding members of the EEC had tricolour flags?' question.

All of them?

e2a: Ah no, Denmark init. I thought Ireland was in on the ground floor for some reason.

e3a: Nah, I was right the first time. Luxembourg, not Denmark

 

[brogdale]

All of them?

e2a: Ah no, Denmark init. I thought Ireland was in on the ground floor for some reason.

right first time; Denmark/Eire joined later (1973) with the UK.