Charity to give out food vouchers as poor ‘left hungry’

[TAE]

http://raw-rap.com

Is that your website?

 

[SpookyFrank]

A development which I think is extremly dangerous, is tryinng to get long term unemployed (about 6 Months & over) on either incapacity benefit and/or Disability Living Allowance:If you don't want some short term agency work on the minimum wage then you must be mad. People were arguing for this in the early 1990's when I worked at a UBO office, when there were lots of unemployed caused mainly by the de-industrialisation in Britain, to deal with the numbers. This could be used as a way of cutting back DSS to a skeleton to what it is.

This scam was first thought up by Thatcher when she was desperately trying to keep unemployment south of the dreaded three million mark, but Blair has been only too happy to keep it up. Now of course they want to kick everyone off incapacity, even those who are there because they genuinely can't work not just those who are there to massage the statistics.

Mind you, I wish they'd put me on disability when I'd been on the dole for 6 months, sadly I'm fit as a fiddle (having learned that stealing food out of supermarket bins is a good way to supplement the meagre nutritional intake afforded by £43 dole money a week )

 

[ViolentPanda]

A development which I think is extremly dangerous, is tryinng to get long term unemployed (about 6 Months & over) on either incapacity benefit and/or Disability Living Allowance:If you don't want some short term agency work on the minimum wage then you must be mad. People were arguing for this in the early 1990's when I worked at a UBO office, when there were lots of unemployed caused mainly by the de-industrialisation in Britain, to deal with the numbers. This could be used as a way of cutting back DSS to a skeleton to what it is.

Churning people onto IB doesn't really happen anymore (too expensive), and the majority of people it happened to in the '90s have now reached or are reaching pensionable age, which is why (although the govt keeps very quiet about it) the actual total of people receiving IB (rather than the number claiming) has dropped by about 100,000 a year for the last 5 years, IIRC.

 

[Nigel]

Seems to be happening a lot in my neck of the woods?
Way of creating a social underclass.
A way of maintaininig a self sustaining, self perpetrating industry

 

[simpson_eh]

Mind you, I wish they'd put me on disability when I'd been on the dole for 6 months, sadly I'm fit as a fiddle (having learned that stealing food out of supermarket bins is a good way to supplement the meagre nutritional intake afforded by £43 dole money a week )

Being under 25 i was stuck with the stupid legislation that says you only get £44 a week dole money and was only allowed to claim a maximum of £30 a week housing benefit.

Madness how can they justify you need less money to rent a house when your under 25. They must think we all chose to leave our parents tits of our own free will.

 

[terratech]

Been watching the board and it is great to see the interest and lively discussion. While not wholly (well) trying to promote Raw-Rap as I know its frowned upon I wish some of this could have happened on the site as it desperately needs members with an interest on the issues around poverty, welfare and work.

For me the issues have not been tackled by the left, I mean that in a broad sense as through experience the discussion always goes the way when I have spoken to the left that the problem can only be solved when workers rights have been fort for. Which I support, but being poor this seems like first a thob off and next with the assumption I or any body can wait for some workers utopia is well `Rich`.

While this may sound opportunistic, the poor are the richeest source of membership for the Anarchist cause and I wonder why I have not been targeted by you. this does not mean you will be rolling in membership fee`s but the power of the anger if stirred at this moment could break down alot of walls to pushing for what we all want to see.


Ok a bit of a rant, anyway although the raw-rap has concentrated on the main stream medias news, it would be great to hear from anybody on links to good storys, even your own. You could post these up in the Free Talk Board (no membership required) and for anybody thinking that it would`nt be worth it, as they would`nt get heard, think again as raw-rap is getting the hits.. for Sept there were over 7,000 and this month just under at 6,000 but its not the end of the month yet. It would be great to hear from groups involved in Disability, welfare and workers rights or for organising anything with an Anti-Authoritarian angle.

 

[The Black Hand]

OK boss - I will sign up i promise.

 

[treelover]

Terra, give SWAN a link, www.swansheffield.org.uk

 

[Das Uberdog]

The last is a silly point as organic food is not generally perceived to be cheap.

Is cake?

 

[terratech]

Treelover - Swan has had a link from the start (Links Page).

 

[durruti02]

So? They did a lot of good work. Quit the sectarian bullshit eh?

no not striclty true but what uis true is they never prioritised work around dch .. swp get in places so they can preach thei retired old line .. then do fuck all

 

[Blagsta]

I was at a Hackney Independent showing of a film about DCH in Feb. They seemed to be doing quite a lot as far as I could tell.

 

[durruti02]

Dennis, you and some of the S/P are generally exceptions to the rule,


Blagsta

The majority of the left: a broad and fragile coalition including socialists, progressives, middle class campaigners, unions, anti-war/peace campaigners, anarchists, etc are largely concerned with international issues, Iraq, the environment, etc, poverty, welfare, etc, doesn't get a look in. I can cite the lack of support, in fact (wilful ignorance) for the campaign against the Welfare Reform Act as a concrete example of this neglect.The Coalition Against the Welfare Reform Act organised a protest two years ago at the LP conference in Manchester, despite many activists still being in the city after the anti-war demo protest on the Saturday, the protest held on the Monday saw only a few people of what is broadly called the left attend, (from the SP,) pretty sad, all in all.

spot on

.. but tree and poster i think we should be clearler about using lefty ( yes yes yes i know i have been lazy many times ion the past .. sorry ) .. we shuold say liberal left or swp or something like that .. sp are a clearly a horse of a differrent colour!

though still not entirely there imho!

 

[durruti02]

I was at a Hackney Independent showing of a film about DCH in Feb. They seemed to be doing quite a lot as far as I could tell.

dch .. yes .. put the swp involvement is erratic to say the least and depends entirely on other priorities

 

[Blagsta]

dch .. yes .. put the swp involvement is erratic to say the least and depends entirely on other priorities

Why are you banging on about the SWP?

 

[Blagsta]

spot on

.. but tree and poster i think we should be clearler about using lefty ( yes yes yes i know i have been lazy many times ion the past .. sorry ) .. we shuold say liberal left or swp or something like that .. sp are a clearly a horse of a differrent colour!

though still not entirely there imho!

Since when are the SWP "liberal left"? What use of the word "liberal" are you using here?

 

[durruti02]

Why are you banging on about the SWP?

was replying to you 24/10 as it happens!

 

[Blagsta]

was replying to you 24/10 as it happens!

Maybe if you follow the entire exchange? All I can see is sectarian bullshit from you and KBJ. I don't care if the SWP are involved in DCH or not. I was just pointing out that "the left" are involved in campaigns around poverty, housing etc.

 

[durruti02]

Since when are the SWP "liberal left"? What use of the word "liberal" are you using here?

i believe as do many on here that the SWP are liberal left as opposed to SP being w/c left

.. wrong thread really but SW are not a w/c org afaiac .. they have leninist managerial politics ( which is NOT liberal) but compared to e.g SP they are liberals e.g. around e.g. community politics/ w/c self defence/immigration/putting demands on the state

 

[durruti02]

Maybe if you follow the entire exchange? All I can see is sectarian bullshit from you and KBJ. I don't care if the SWP are involved in DCH or not. I was just pointing out that "the left" are involved in campaigns around poverty, housing etc.

and i was simply pointing out that sw involvement is often dishonest, almost always erractic, and always sub.....ed ( mind gone blank) to their core agenda of building the party .. mate i have seen them trash campaign after campaign .. they are pants

p.s. KJ also gave a very clear reason why he has problems with the SW

 

[Blagsta]

i believe as do many on here that the SWP are liberal left as opposed to SP being w/c left

.. wrong thread really but SW are not a w/c org afaiac .. they have leninist managerial politics ( which is NOT liberal) but compared to e.g SP they are liberals e.g. around e.g. community politics/ w/c self defence/immigration/putting demands on the state

In what sense is that "liberal"?

 

[Blagsta]

and i was simply pointing out that sw involvement is often dishonest, almost always erractic, and always sub.....ed ( mind gone blank) to their core agenda of building the party .. mate i have seen them trash campaign after campaign .. they are pants

p.s. KJ also gave a very clear reason why he has problems with the SW

So based on this view, you're going to slag them off for anything they're involved in, even if they've actually done some good? See, my partner is an ex-SWP organiser and the picture I get from her is very very different to one I get from people on here. I have no great love of the SWP, I watched them fuck up the Birmingham CJB campaign in the early 90's. However (at least according to my partner), they are far from the picture painted on here. From what I gather, they have quite a solid core of working class and union members.

 

[Blagsta]

From what I gather, they have quite a solid core of working class and union members.

My partner is just qualifying this for me - white collar working class, i.e. people from working class backgrounds who have had some college/university education.