Can't wait! OrangeFest is almost here!!

[Casually Red]

historically, any sign of growing support for left wing groups was shortly followed by whipping up a group hate on catholics so the unionist leadership didn't have to share power with anyone. they had a great line in convincing w/c protestants to play the turkey woting for christmass and reject having any real influence themselves so catholics didn't get any either. following that, the DUP was the first party to significantly focus on the rights of w/c protestants and they played the loyalist card to the full.

so socialism has been linked with disloyalty, with nationalism, it's a dirty word, so you end u with groups like the PUP as progressive unionism that are supposedly left-loyalism , cause they can't call themselves anything that's not demonstrating loyalty.

so with mass politics being like that in protestant areas, they are few and far between and need to reject a lot more inbred bullshit. there have always been some though, like a few protestants in the INLA. but most of those not willing to completely cross the line know to keep quiet

When the rotten little statelet was formed in the early 20s there was the type of pogrom the nazis would have been proud of . Kristallnacht was actually a fair bit more civilised . Amidst the orgy of attacks on catholic owned homes , districts , individuals and businesses there was also a lesser spoken of purge against progressive and left wing Protestants . In the Belfast shipyards and steel works, which were thoroughly purged of what few Catholics there were ,left wingers and trade unionists were targeted alongside them . And violently driven out as well . And kept out .

The " big house unionism " Liamo referred to at the beginning...landowners , industrialists etc ..who formed the state combined with the orange fascists and smashed labour solidarity as well . The doling out of jobs in those places was then largely arranged by the orange order . So to basically feed your family you had to join a fascistic organisation and at least stay in line . It was all very deliberate . The sectarianism was crafted and absolute . It had the hallmarks of genuine fascism .

In the 1930s there were major anti poverty riots across Belfast . And for a brief period Catholics and Protestants fought the police together . But before long the orange fascist machine was mobilised , the Catholics demonised and shortly after the Protestant rioters were encouraged to take out their frustrations on their neighbours and not the state . Which they did .

The orange order isn't just a sectarian organisation , it's a fascist one in many respects . That's what it's roots are . It's not worthy of any respect at all . There's nothing glorious in its history . It's thoroughly rotten . But under this gfa crap both Catholics and Protestants are told that it's " culture " . It's indulged as legitimate . By al the political parties , north and south . B the entire system .Progressive politics has no chance when these type of myths are official truths that can't be challenged . It's another aspect of institutionalised sectarianism .

 

[Casually Red]

There were..probably still there..a few guys who lived in Ballymurphy . Staunch Provos but, such was the folly of their youth..former UDA members . They'd wised up and become politicised and done a total reverse and crossed over . Think they even had loyalist tattoos .

It's rare but it certainly happens . And those are the more extreme cases . There are without doubt ordinary Protestants who quietly identify as Irish and just don't make a fuss about it . Keep it to themselves . Irish republicanism itself was, to a large extent , founded by Irish Protestants . The tradition has always been there . The division isn't at all natural . A lot of time , energy and effort went into creating and sustaining those divisions . And they're still artificially sustained to this day . The gfa is just the latest mechanism for the same rotten job .

 

[Casually Red]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...to-crucify-catholics-in-belfast-31356122.html

t.

According to our local Sunday rag that bunch pictured are the Sandy Row UVF . Who appear to be a bit of a laughing stock at the minute . According to reports , far from intimidating the neighbouring catholic teenagers the crucifixion graffiti acted like a magnet for them . A few nights ago a number of balaclava clad catholic teenagers were photod posing in front of it, brandishing a large tricolour . Which naturally enough they stuck up on social media .
The next day , in scenes reminiscent of the film Zulu , hordes of catholic teenagers began emerging from the long grass of the bog meadows and crossing over the motorway . Descending directly on the UVFS bonfire site . Attempts by the UVF vigilantes to summon reinforcements were fruitless...so unlike the plucky defenders of Rorkes drift...they just fled . Loyalist hardmen we're seen jumping from the bonfire in desperation to get away . And they called the cops instead .

Cops landed very quickly and managed to save the bonfire from being torched . Recovered a number of petrol bombs the creeping taig multitudes had brought along .

Perhaps they should amend the graffiti to " LONE DEFENCELESS taigs will be crucified "

 

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Isn't division great?

feel sorry for them in some ways. they've been fucked over so many times, they don't know better than to beg for more

 

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There were..probably still there..a few guys who lived in Ballymurphy . Staunch Provos but, such was the folly of their youth..former UDA members . They'd wised up and become politicised and done a total reverse and crossed over . Think they even had loyalist tattoos .

It's rare but it certainly happens . And those are the more extreme cases . There are without doubt ordinary Protestants who quietly identify as Irish and just don't make a fuss about it . Keep it to themselves . Irish republicanism itself was, to a large extent , founded by Irish Protestants . The tradition has always been there . The division isn't at all natural . A lot of time , energy and effort went into creating and sustaining those divisions . And they're still artificially sustained to this day . The gfa is just the latest mechanism for the same rotten job .

back to the home rule era? oh yeah. and lets not forget that when the liberals finally sided with parnell, they kept the majority of the british working classes on side. home rule was seen as a hugely progressive move, take away the power of the landlords to keep fucking over their irish brothers. unionist politicians would get run (or stoned) out of w/c areas in some towns. and it still took 28 years from the british people voting in a pro home rule gvt to even get to partition, cause of those inbred interests who got their own way. the shit you got lumbered with wasn't just against what the irish people wanted, but it was against what the British people supported as well.

oh, and fwiw, yes. the british government has been supporting and protecting a fascist quasi-state for years. and anyone lis6tening to the british press believes it's all good as long as it's quiet enough over there (ie, nothing worth our press reporting) that it's not bothering people over here.

 

[Casually Red]

back to the home rule era? .

Even long before then . I used to have essays detailing how the British generals and the aristocracy sponsored the rise of the Orangemen in order to keep the entire population , catholic and Protestant alike , terrified . The aristocracy was genuinely terrified of the unity between catholic and Protestant . Which was very strong in the 1790s . The orange order was an openly terrorist organisation .

The poshos openly admitted in their correspondence their aim was to keep the people bitterly divided . Later they relaxed the rules on the Presbyterians and brought them into the fold . In a combination of hefty bribes coupled with terror . The orange order too began to allow them membership .

Many of those Protestants marching today are honouring an organisation that literally butchered and mutilated their own forefathers in their thousands .And celebrating a boyne victory that saw their own ancestors subject to religious persecution and discrimination . Albeit not as bad as what the Catholics were subjected to . That's why so many of them fled to the states .

It took a very long time and a serious amount of money and effort to divide the people . It was done very deliberately . Deceiving us that this bullshit is " culture " is an absolute disgrace . But the nationalist political parties have fully bought into the lie too . For their own narrow ends .

 

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Even long before then . I used to have essays detailing how the British generals and the aristocracy sponsored the rise of the Orangemen in order to keep the entire population , catholic and Protestant alike , terrified . The aristocracy was genuinely terrified of the unity between catholic and Protestant . Which was very strong in the 1790s . The orange order was an openly terrorist organisation .

The poshos openly admitted in their correspondence their aim was to keep the people bitterly divided . Later they relaxed the rules on the Presbyterians and brought them into the fold . In a combination of hefty bribes coupled with terror . The orange order too began to allow them membership .

Many of those Protestants marching today are honouring an organisation that literally butchered and mutilated their own forefathers in their thousands .And celebrating a boyne victory that saw their own ancestors subject to religious persecution and discrimination . Albeit not as bad as what the Catholics were subjected to . That's why so many of them fled to the states .

It took a very long time and a serious amount of money and effort to divide the people . It was done very deliberately . Deceiving us that this bullshit is " culture " is an absolute disgrace . But the nationalist political parties have fully bought into the lie too . For their own narrow ends .

ty, any detailed knowledge i have is late victorian and onwards.

 

[cyril_smear]

Nazi and Israeli flags flying together? How clueless are these numpties?

Why Nazi flags though? The Nazis didn't ''go after'' catholics did they?

 

[NoXion]

Why Nazi flags though? The Nazis didn't ''go after'' catholics did they?

As far as I know, not really. IIRC some sects like Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers got it in the neck from the Reich, but technically they're Protestant, right?

 

[cyril_smear]

As far as I know, not really. IIRC some sects like Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers got it in the neck from the Reich, but technically they're Protestant, right?

Because they wouldn't commit to the reich. If they had they could've practiced their religion as much as they want, but they chose their deity over a cult leader and suffered the consequences.

 

[Casually Red]

As far as I know, not really. IIRC some sects like Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers got it in the neck from the Reich, but technically they're Protestant, right?

The nazis hated the Catholics . Not to the same extent as the Jews but they persecuted them pretty badly . Sent thousands to the concentration camps . I doubt that's why the flags were flown though .

 

[Casually Red]

And on the issue of the nazi flags embarrassment . According to my Sunday rag the carrickfergus UDA have broken the legs of a 13 year old over the erection of the flags . Locals are claiming its a cynical scapegoating exercise and I'd agree with that . Anyone who lives here is well aware of loyalist etiquette regarding symbols . Many of the loyalist groups openly despise each other , same goes for flute bands and the like . They're forever kicking the lining out of each other and those confrontations can be fatal . Display the wrong loyalist colours and you could wind up dead or seriously injured . Your family will get it in the neck too .
The business with the flags on lamp posts isn't just about announcing loyalist turf , but also which loyalist faction is supreme on that turf . There's no way that stuff went up without the go ahead of the local faction . Plus it had to be bought to order . It looks like they made a blunder, then broke some kids legs to give the impression they had nothing to do with it and are outraged by it . The ones breaking the kids legs are quite likely to be the very ones who told him to put the flags up in the first place .

 

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and this is a protected culture......

 

[Idris2002]

 

[Idris2002]

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's brilliant, have a proviesnack (you filthy Strasserite).

I once saw a mural artist asked why he always painted lads in balaclavas. Eventually he admitted that he wasn't a good enough artist to paint faces.

He could have been fibbing. He could have been a perv who got his rocks off about balaclavas.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why Nazi flags though? The Nazis didn't ''go after'' catholics did they?

They did go after Catholic priests. The Nazis loathed Catholicism because it encouraged people to give their primary loyalty to Church rather than State. As a consequence of that, and of the occasional role individual priests played in helping dissidents and Jews flee, thousands of priests ended up in concentration camps.

 

[Idris2002]

Loads of these on shitebook (LAD) but this is the best I think.

 

[Casually Red]

They did go after Catholic priests. The Nazis loathed Catholicism because it encouraged people to give their primary loyalty to Church rather than State. As a consequence of that, and of the occasional role individual priests played in helping dissidents and Jews flee, thousands of priests ended up in concentration camps.

That and the fact many of them were neo pagans with a hatred of Christianity in general . Plus the voice raised by the Catholics and other Christians against enforced sterilisation , the murder of the disabled , racism, the denunciation of nazism in the German catholic press etc . And the mass excommunication of catholic nazi party members , a rare show of organised defiance .

 

[cyril_smear]

They did go after Catholic priests. The Nazis loathed Catholicism because it encouraged people to give their primary loyalty to Church rather than State. As a consequence of that, and of the occasional role individual priests played in helping dissidents and Jews flee, thousands of priests ended up in concentration camps.

You're better informed than me. Tips hat*

Still, you have to laugh at the swastika along the side the star of David. Ffs!!1

 

[cantsin]

They did go after Catholic priests. The Nazis loathed Catholicism because it encouraged people to give their primary loyalty to Church rather than State. As a consequence of that, and of the occasional role individual priests played in helping dissidents and Jews flee, thousands of priests ended up in concentration camps.

The Nazis didn't "loathe" notorious anti semite / appeaser Pope Pius XII, "Hitlers Pope" ?

 

[LiamO]

https://www.facebook.com/garcabu/posts/814687278600766?fref=nf&pnref=story

"Greater Ardoyne Residents' Collective
4 hrs · Edited ·


A loyalist bandsmen and North and West Belfast Parading Forum member named John Loughey has deliberately driven into a crowd of Ardoyne residents on the Crumlin Road. A teenage girl has been critically injured and he has been arrested for attempted murder.

GARC reps are helping to keep calm in the area, despite riot squad provocation. The young girl was denied immediate help from the Ambulance Station as it is closed due to the demands of Loyal Orders to impose sectarianism on our community.

This young girl could have been killed by a sectarian bigot who sees her as a second class citizen. The question needs to be asked of Loyal Orders, Unionist parties and Loyalist paramilitaries - would this young girl's life been worth the demand to trample over residents' right to live free from sectarian harassment and intimidation.

Our thoughts are with the young girl concerned and her family. Shame on the Orange Order." ends

 

[Fingers]

https://www.facebook.com/garcabu/posts/814687278600766?fref=nf&pnref=story

"Greater Ardoyne Residents' Collective
4 hrs · Edited ·


A loyalist bandsmen and North and West Belfast Parading Forum member named John Loughey has deliberately driven into a crowd of Ardoyne residents on the Crumlin Road. A teenage girl has been critically injured and he has been arrested for attempted murder.

GARC reps are helping to keep calm in the area, despite riot squad provocation. The young girl was denied immediate help from the Ambulance Station as it is closed due to the demands of Loyal Orders to impose sectarianism on our community.

This young girl could have been killed by a sectarian bigot who sees her as a second class citizen. The question needs to be asked of Loyal Orders, Unionist parties and Loyalist paramilitaries - would this young girl's life been worth the demand to trample over residents' right to live free from sectarian harassment and intimidation.

Our thoughts are with the young girl concerned and her family. Shame on the Orange Order." ends

Fucks sake. Grim :-(

 

[LiamO]

Apparently he was enraged at the parades commission still banning the Orange Order from marching past the shops in Ardoyne.

I took Spymaster up to see their protest 'peace camp' a couple of years ago here's his impressions of it... and them

Belfast. Faaaakin 'ell!

Completely different to what I was expecting.

Today I had the absolute good fortune to be given the hard core tour by Liam and Deareg, both of whom I'm hugely grateful to for giving me so much of their time. deareg is a walking encyclopedia who could map every inch of Belfast whilst giving a detailed lesson on Irish politics, particularly in Belfast and Derry. Awesome knowledge and a lovely geezer too.

We did the Falls Road; Crumlin Road; Ardoyne; Johnny "mad dog" Adair's manor; Shankhill; Milltown cemetery; Harland and Wolfe; East Belfast (where I popped into a UDA shop to buy a Chelsea FC flag emblazoned with loyalist insignia that would go down like a shit sandwich at The Bridge); passed a caff that was doing "Ulster Frys" for £1.75 a go, and had an extraordinary conversation with a bloke at the loyalist "peace camp" (photos to follow) who told us that we were on the Queens Highway and that they should be able to March wherever they liked. This chap was no Albert Einstein and got very confused when Liam pointed out that we weren't on Queens Highway at all ... we were on Twadell Avenue!

Loads more happened today including a trip to Dundalk and another pull from the old Bill, but this time they had sub-machine guns and pistols and there wasn't a Wonka Bar for miles. I'll elaborate tomorrow for anyone who's remotely interested.

The upshot of this weekend has been that I've met some seriously nice (to me anyway) republicans, including a fair few that have done time for their "volunteer" activity. They've more than made me welcome, got me drunk, sang songs, played music, and gently taken the piss out of my cockney accent and English nationality. The loyalists on the other hand seem dark and miserable. Nasty. Their territory marked out with Union flags at the ends of their streets, in their windows, on their flagpoles (loads of them have flagpoles on their houses), red white and blue painted kerbstones, red and white bunting over completely ordinary streets. Everywhere you go in the loyalist areas seem to me to be as purposefully intimidating as possible.

Liam reckons that I'd have met decent loyalists if I'd hung out with them instead, and I should probably try to take a look from the other side, but .....

 

[LiamO]

and mine...

Yer man at the 'Peace Camp' There really aren't enough face-palms.

You'd think, wouldn't you, that they would at least have their lone public face - the rest were presumably sleeping off a hard night's loyalism in the caravans - to know something of what he was talking about? To be able to string a sentence together or even hand you a leaflet?

I greeted him as a wide-eyed tourist over from England and asked him to explain it to us like we were 6-year olds. But he was incapable of expressing it in terms that anyone who did not live within 10 minutes of their pathetic, shabby, sectarian display would even comprehend.

I'm all Ali-G and your man is struggling to comprehend my 'stupidity'

Him: Welcome to Camp Twaddell
Me: Thank you very much. Do you get much support? (he is the only one standing there amongst the Rangers supporters club banners)
Him: Well, it depends on the weather.
Me: Bit cold today.
Him: Aye that's why there's not many about
Me: Explain to me what it's about.

Him: 'They let us down the road but they wouldn't let us home again in the evening. '
Me: who's 'they'?
Him: Our wonderful loyal police and the Parades Commission
Me: They won't let you go home?
Him: That's right. We just want our rights and we want to be allowed home'
Me. (pointing to the two scabby caravans behind him) Do you all have to live in those caravans then? Must be well crowded
Him; No, no, no. Sure everyone else is away home
Me: Thought you said they wouldn't let you go home?
Him: We could go home alright. But we want to go home the way we've always gone home... along the Queens Highway... this here's the Queen's Highway and we just want to walk up it.

Me (Pointing to the Crumlin Road) So which road is Queens highway then
Him: They all are.
Me (looking puzzled): Is that not a bit confusing if they all have the same name?
Him: No, no, no. Look. they are all the queen's highway, right? At there road is the Queen's highway, this here road is the queens highway, 'at road across there is the Queen's highway... They've all got different names right ... Crumlin Road, Woodvale Road. Twaddell Avenue, but they are all the Queen's highway.
Me: OK. Could you not just walk home along this Queen's highway then, instead of that one?
Him ; NO!

Me : Why not?
Him : We wanna walk up there
Me: Could you not just walk up it now? We've just walked down it
Him: NO! We want our rights.
Me: I bet you could just walk up it now. C'mon, there's no-one even looking. I'll walk with you. I bet they won't even notice.

Him: No, no, no it's gotta to be done properly. We want to march up behind our banners. March behind our bands.... and them fuckers won't let us.
Me: To be honest I don't know why you're so upset. it's not even that nice an area really, is it? Could you not find a nice Protestant area to march in?
Him: We do march in our own areas ... all the time... but ... like... ach... You just don't get it do ye son?
Me: well I have to confess I'm a bit confused.

Yer man at the 'Peace Camp' There really aren't enough face-palms.

You'd think, wouldn't you, that they would at least have their lone public face - the rest were presumably sleeping off a hard night's loyalism in the caravans - to know something of what he was talking about? To be able to string a sentence together or even hand you a leaflet?

I greeted him as a wide-eyed tourist over from England and asked him to explain it to us like we were 6-year olds. But he was incapable of expressing it in terms that anyone who did not live within 10 minutes of their pathetic, shabby, sectarian display would even comprehend.

I'm all Ali-G and your man is struggling to comprehend my 'stupidity'

Him: Welcome to Camp Twaddell
Me: Thank you very much. Do you get much support? (he is the only one standing there amongst the Rangers supporters club banners)
Him: Well, it depends on the weather.
Me: Bit cold today.
Him: Aye that's why there's not many about
Me: Explain to me what it's about.

Him: 'They let us down the road but they wouldn't let us home again in the evening. '
Me: who's 'they'?
Him: Our wonderful loyal police and the Parades Commission
Me: They won't let you go home?
Him: That's right. We just want our rights and we want to be allowed home'
Me. (pointing to the two scabby caravans behind him) Do you all have to live in those caravans then? Must be well crowded
Him; No, no, no. Sure everyone else is away home
Me: Thought you said they wouldn't let you go home?
Him: We could go home alright. But we want to go home the way we've always gone home... along the Queens Highway... this here's the Queen's Highway and we just want to walk up it.

Me (Pointing to the Crumlin Road) So which road is Queens highway then
Him: They all are.
Me (looking puzzled): Is that not a bit confusing if they all have the same name?
Him: No, no, no. Look. they are all the queen's highway, right? At there road is the Queen's highway, this here road is the queens highway, 'at road across there is the Queen's highway... They've all got different names right ... Crumlin Road, Woodvale Road. Twaddell Avenue, but they are all the Queen's highway.
Me: OK. Could you not just walk home along this Queen's highway then, instead of that one?
Him ; NO!

Me : Why not?
Him : We wanna walk up there
Me: Could you not just walk up it now? We've just walked down it
Him: NO! We want our rights.
Me: I bet you could just walk up it now. C'mon, there's no-one even looking. I'll walk with you. I bet they won't even notice.

Him: No, no, no it's gotta to be done properly. We want to march up behind our banners. March behind our bands.... and them fuckers won't let us.
Me: To be honest I don't know why you're so upset. it's not even that nice an area really, is it? Could you not find a nice Protestant area to march in?
Him: We do march in our own areas ... all the time... but ... like... ach... You just don't get it do ye son?
Me: well I have to confess I'm a bit confused.

 

[LiamO]

http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-bonfire-2213201-Jul2015/

 

[Humberto]

Aye well they haven't tarred and feathered anyone yet, let alone women.

 

[Casually Red]

The Nazis didn't "loathe" notorious anti semite / appeaser Pope Pius XII, "Hitlers Pope" ?

I'm no fan of popes ..at least until the recent one . But German Catholics suffered...and resisted...at the hands of proper fucking nazis in a manner you and your snide anti catholic comments never will.

 

[Casually Red]

https://www.facebook.com/garcabu/posts/814687278600766?fref=nf&pnref=story

"Greater Ardoyne Residents' Collective
4 hrs · Edited ·


A loyalist bandsmen and North and West Belfast Parading Forum member named John Loughey has deliberately driven into a crowd of Ardoyne residents on the Crumlin Road. A teenage girl has been critically injured and he has been arrested for attempted murder.

GARC reps are helping to keep calm in the area, despite riot squad provocation. The young girl was denied immediate help from the Ambulance Station as it is closed due to the demands of Loyal Orders to impose sectarianism on our community.

This young girl could have been killed by a sectarian bigot who sees her as a second class citizen. The question needs to be asked of Loyal Orders, Unionist parties and Loyalist paramilitaries - would this young girl's life been worth the demand to trample over residents' right to live free from sectarian harassment and intimidation.

Our thoughts are with the young girl concerned and her family. Shame on the Orange Order." ends

you Kant

And that spymaster

Could have been a YouTube classic that

 

[LiamO]

Aye well they haven't tarred and feathered anyone yet, let alone women.

Yes they have. Often

And gang-raped and murdered them too - you fuckin dickhead.